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[flavirufus]

I have to agree with Chilli, Dave you seem to take everything Simon says or writes so personally. The basis of this whole debate is whether captive bred animals are better captives than wild caught animals. Every experienced keeper in the world knows that, on average, captive bred animals are far superior. However, this fact doesn't mean there isn't a reason to take from the wild, doesn't mean that many wild caught snakes can't make good captives, and doesn't mean that licenced wild collectors are evil people. Just relax, let go of the jealousy, and be comfortable with the fact that you believe you're going about your herping career the right way.
Regards,
Matt