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Bulla: the fangs if glands removed might do a little damage but no more than a python
True Blue: I don't use pinning but have seen it done in plenty of shows where they do. So I'm not wrong just pointing that out. I don't believe I have been wrong at I just have a different opinion. Not missing the point I just have an opinion of my own.
Ramsayi: There is a bit of difference between teeth removal and gland removal for training purposes. Most Ven bites in Aust have occured in Zoo's and reptile parks during enclosure cleanings and I would hardly call any of those keepers lazy or incompetant.
Herp Doc: I believe I do no what I'm on about, and have a right to my opinion on the matter if you can't accept that to bad. Don't think you are above me or anyone else because you are a vet. You reffered to the Venomoids surgery as mutilation, and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't all tissue removal surgery a form of mutilation I just extended the use of your word to cover some of the human surgery perrformed. I have no problem with Euthanasia, and yes I have watched family die slowly( Let's not go there). I think the only reason your calling us silly is because you have no practical come back for our arguement.
I am yet to see a propper arguement put froward that will change my mind on the matter. Venomoids surgery as far as I can see has very few draw back's and for training purposes, and exhibitors holds many benefit's to both handlers and the public. There is no long term damage done to the snake and since it will never return to the wild it will never need the glands again. I am not missing the point I just don't agree.
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