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[Jason]

Originally Posted by sengir

occasionally refering to retiles in the WILD manner cannot hurt just helps people realise and to keep them as natuaral as possible which can in no way hurt them. It can only hurt them through the lazy people who use the examples that you posted to hurt them, which by the way I do not condone, it is people like this who should not have reptiles

unfortunatly they're the ones who are the problems! dont get me wrong i love a great outdoor enclosure as much as anybody with dragon and skinks, turts etc, its the people that have these setups and offer NO food because in the wild they believe these animals dont get much food so they think they will have enough insects etc strole through the enclosure to keep them satisfied.
i know of a few big breeders that keep diamonds out side in sydney and think this is fine, because at the first sign of any health issues the animals are brought inside; they are fed properly, shelter is offered, parasites are treated etc and the animal is healthy. the example i refered to in my original post about an animal being skin and bones was a diamond that was kept out side in winter in a bird cage with no warmth offered at all, was not conditioned for cooling and end up getting RI, i suggested taking the animal to the vet and they reckon its to expensive and that it'll be fine cause they reckon such and animal would get over it and be fine in the wild!