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    Quote Originally Posted by bfg23 View Post
    http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/e...-photos-116544

    Maybe I am not the only one 'Force Feeding' ?
    Everybody is going to feed their animal what they think is appropriate. I just saying that I would never feed a Saltwater Croc the amount that you're feeding your Freshie. To me it just seems alot.


    Quote Originally Posted by bfg23 View Post
    well i got all my information from here
    Crocodilian Captive Care FAQ (Caiman, Alligator, Crocodile)

    Bfg, can I please suggest you try and source out some Australian info on keeping them. We don't have Alligators or Caymens in Australia.

    The two big herp shops in Adelaide also feed their crocs every second or third day as juvi's.
    The dealer I got my croc from had over a dozen juvi crocs in his house and was feeding them all 3 to 4 times a week. His own pet croc was 3 years old and he had slowed the feeding down, but he advised me of this.
    I hardly force feed either, I place his food on his land area and he eats what he wants.
    Do crocs get obese? Because I feed a heck of a lot more than you guys do but he is still in good shape. He would have the same figure as all other crocs I have seen.

    I would say yes, they can get obese. As my partner said, the amount you are feeding him is wayyy too much. We work on the princple of how they feed on the wild and try to replicate it. This goes for all our reps, not just the croc. You can feed them weekly, ive hard of many people doing it, but remember they dont need to eat that often. 12 mice a week, plus 100g of chicken? That seems very excessive to me. More than likely he has become food responsive which why he is so aggressive when you're in his enclosure.

    Sorry guys if you think I have disregarded your opinions, i missed reptilianguys post about feeding once week while i was typing one up.
    Please show me where I have ignored shnakeygirls opinions.
    All of them mate.

    Instead of making this thread another aps argument. lets keep on topic.

    What temperature do you keep the water at? And basking site?
    There seems to be some different advice on how to keep these so I am opening my ears on the topic.
    Basking siite is big dock and ranges from 25-27.5...water ranges from 23-25

    Adelherper- Again not wanting to start arguments, but how do you know the croc is happy being fed once a week? Its not like they smile at you and say gday.
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    Please link me to the care sheets you use I would love to have a read since recommendations vary so much.

    I have been keeping water temperatures at 29-30degrees, and a basking site of 40-45 which he will bask under each night.

    What damage am I doing by feeding so often?
    http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/e...-so-fat-112135
    Maybe this croc was just fed, but mine is skinnier that the one pictured.

    Yes my crocodile has become food responsive. My hands only ever go in the tank when I am giving him food and cleaning the tank.
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    sorry, bad spelling. what do you meen?

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    Can I ask how you clean the tank while he is in there? Sorry if that's a silly question to some. Also if you had a special made pit outside when it gets bigger, how would you restrain the croc go in to clean the pit? Anyone know?

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    Well cleaning the tank only involves using a fish tank spyhon to change water once a month.
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    sorry, bad spelling. what do you meen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfg23 View Post
    Please link me to the care sheets you use I would love to have a read since recommendations vary so much.

    I have been keeping water temperatures at 29-30degrees, and a basking site of 40-45 which he will bask under each night.

    What damage am I doing by feeding so often?
    http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/e...-so-fat-112135
    Maybe this croc was just fed, but mine is skinnier that the one pictured.

    Yes my crocodile has become food responsive. My hands only ever go in the tank when I am giving him food and cleaning the tank.
    gotta take into consideration the feeding habits are different to each croc but not by much and for a small freshy that is 550mm long that is way to much food... they are a reptile not mammal. the only time over feeding would be a good practise is for them is if they are underweight...

    ***... water temp at 29-30 'C!!!! basking spot 40-45 'C.... i gather that site states it... we dont use care sheets for crocodiles... i've worked with these animals for some time but coudln't have my own in QLD, hence why i owned one a few months after moving here in November... the water temp for "AUSTRALIAN CROCODILES" should be between 24'C and 27'C, also take into consideration the temp of coastal Northern Australian rivers and creeks never very much warmer than 28'C-30'C'excluding still water or shallow blocked creeks... and land temps depending on how far inland the the water source they inhabit is located the most you would commonly see, on the coast is 38-42 'C in the peak of summer... NT and WA may differ and reach 44-47'C in peak of summer...
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    I will lower the water temperatures a little bit then.
    Maybe he does not eat a full 100grams of chicken, but i feed him 4 velvet mice in one sitting, and do that 3 times a week. I also chop up chicken and offer that if he is looking skinny.

    Just for some additional input, I emailed Crocodlyus Park in the NT and asked how often they recommend to feed to a single Freshie under a year old, and they said 3 times a week till its 12-18months old, then cut back to twice weekly for a following year or two.

    Also, I am measuring surface temperatures under the basking site with an IR gun, ambient temps under the basking site are probably a little lower than surface temp directly under the hotspot mind you.

    Thanks for the advice Reptilianguy.

    Also, the temperatures I was advised to use were from the man I got the crocs from. He had over a dozen in his shed he was raising and had a 3year old pet freshie. When I mentioned a water temperature of 26degrees he was very quick to correct me and say 30.
    I sort of thought he might know what he was talking about.

    Obviously the water temperatures in the wild would vary from season to season?
    Also, what work did you do with the crocodiles? Sounds like an awesome job.
    Quote Originally Posted by ridgie1 View Post
    sorry, bad spelling. what do you meen?

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    26 is good as a base temp or for winter temps, and come our summer most tank water can get up 33'C or 5'C lower than the air temp. i used to work in a small zoo that had young crocs in it for awhile doin tours ect.. i also worked and lived with them in the wild, not with them directly but near and around and well in their habitat most times cutting the risk since i was young, hence a deep interest in them from a young'n. I also had the pleasure of swimming with one of 2m in the middle of the Torres Straits on a remote and beautiful island and reef.
    now that is an awesome experience spear fishing... it was a shame i took the spear gun and not my U/Water camera i had at the time.
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    When I had my freshy I was told by an experienced keeper that any lower than 28 water temps can create health problems...
    And my basking spot which was a UV plus heat light had temps ranging from 31-36 degrees.

    Also I was feeding my lil one 2 times a week he'd get pinky's chicken small feeder fish & crickets.
    Even then he was looking too small/skinny.

    The person who has him now feeds a lot more often & the little guy is a lot better off for it.
    You added the link in this thread & he was my old croc.
    He's very well cared for & in no way needs to be force fed to eat the amount he's given
    & would in fact take more if offered I'm sure.

    Everyone's feeding/husbandry technique is different, some people feed less as not to have them grow too quickly
    others feed more often to what they think is a healthy diet it really is a matter of personal preference.

    EDIT**As an example of what I am saying.. I'm sure in the wild snakes aren't heated day & night
    but in captivity it is a totally different story *especially when talking about a juvenile*

    you can replicate a more natural environment for your crocodile but when young
    it is best to treat them just that little more fragile IMO
    Last edited by itbites; 31-Oct-09 at 03:27 AM.
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