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Calico ? Coastal Carpet Python
I have had a few questions and a lot of requests for pics, so took a few today while her new enclosure is being prepped.
So is it a true Calico? well dunno! She has a hypo type of thing going on (very freaky eyes) but it is unsure as to if it is part of the make up of the calico aspects. There appears to be white under all her scales so after a feed it becomes extremely prominent. The pattern from the belly is straight white and tends to go to white with black and brown flecking slowly forming more of a (fragmented) pattern as it reaches the back. The grandmother had a lot more white throughout the body. So what is it that makes me think she is Calico? . . . There is nothing that describes all that is going on with her pattern any better than the broad definition with Calico's, although she does have a marbled look. All going well I will be breeding her this season with the Anery Coastal, should have some interesting results
beautiful!!!! she is amazing
- 29-Apr-12, 03:17 PM #3
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I stopped posting in morph threads a long time ago when OP's didn't like the answers i gave them. Fortunately the craze of naming any and every pattern died away somewhat over the last couple years.
To enter your discussion about whether it is a calico or not. To me there is absolutely nothing calico about that snake in comparison to any other reptile morph that has been defined as calico. If you can prove out whatever you think is different about it, then yeah name the morph calico and then it will be a calico. That is if it is a morph/mutation that can be inherited in a predictable way. And just to throw a spanner in the works, a few years ago that snake would have been called a hypo and god help anyone who disagreed because hypo just means reduced black apparently.
Personally i would call that snake nothing more than a nice coastal. Which it is, absolutely, if that is what you are into. Let the animal's quality or genetics speak for itself, they don't need names.
- 29-Apr-12, 03:45 PM #4
Gordon is spot on...
Kam, ive seen you post a few times now and you fail to understand that a genetic trait is just that.
GENETIC and needs to be proven. Not just label a python because you think its looks like a genetic morph.
The pics you posted just look like a normal coastal.
And whats this with a anery coastal. ??
Just because because a coastal is grey coloured does not mean its anery or axanthic.
You actually need to prove the mode of inheritance. Thus proving the trait is genetic.
Unless you have proof and photos showing what your talking about and then confirming the mode of inheritance etc .
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- 29-Apr-12, 04:03 PM #6
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the best way to check if this a genetic trait is to breed her with a normal looking carpet, if the offspring look like that then it could be either dominent or co-dominent. if this happens then a way to check wether if it's co-dom. is to breed the offspring that look like that with each other, if 25% are normal 50% are like that and 25% look completly different then it's co-dominent...
if all the offspring look normal then it could be recesive, if this happens breed the offspring together and then if some of these offspring turn out like that then it's recesive.
if the offspring look like a blend between the two parents then it's not genetic (there is no particular gene responsible).
this entire process will probably take 4-5 years at a minimum but is the only way to prove if its genetic.I blame the government!!
Just name it what you like and charge what you like when you breed. Name it something exotic like reduced pattern hypo xanthic calico albinohet coastal and charge s@#t loads for the hatchies. But prove it first breed for multiple gens and show results to prove its genetic.
I have bred a number of coastals that look the same as the one pictured, all have turned out to be beautiful coastals, but just coastals.
Roger summed it up nicely, you need to proove the mode of inheritence before you can slap a name on it.
Anyone that sees her agrees there is something more than Hypo. As for inheritable I have seen her Grandmother and she was owned by a non morph collector but she had alot more white with small patches and flecking. I will be breeding her this year to see but as the Calico in most species is recessive it will be some time before we know for certain. As for the Anery this is available to another debate but no i did not call it that out of wishful thinking. For Morphs to be discovered we dont need till wait for the Europeans or the states discover it, what we need is to work together to pull our collective minds together and start to look at what we can discover with our natives. How many morphs will go (and prob has been) unnoticed because it didnt fit into the already defined labels that we have. How easy would it have been to overlook the zebra morph? How did Southern X discover the so called Caramel morph. . just looks like a Hypo. If you discovered a new morph would you recognise it? I have a lot to say on this subject but I will only have to repeat myself after the next lot of angry and condescending posts so Ill wait
Mate there alot of grey coastals around that aren't anery or axanthic and since larks proved his line out there are a few people now trying to claim they also have them. To me it looks like a nice coastal but until it's reproduced it's all speculation on what it is. You said we don't know the history of the animal so please tell us. How many snakes display the same trait in each clutch from each generation? Grandmothers sibs? Parents sibs and her sibs? Also did you get one of her brothers? If you did you should breed them back together and see what results you get.
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I was commenting on why people are calling you out about the grey carpets you have that you said are anery but not provided any info or proof other then a photo of a grey coastal. Mate if you are trying to start a fight it won't be with me sorry
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- 29-Apr-12, 05:53 PM #13
Jungle Freaks & Waruikazi initial posts....... it has nothing to do with what is happening overseas more just a basic protocol with breeding any kind of animal ie you have to prove the mode of inheritance over a couple or 3 generations at least before you label...... simple as...... do you have the parents ???????
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