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Yep, I reckon your dead right Jeffa.
Last edited by DanN; 30-Jun-12 at 05:13 PM.
- 30-Jun-12, 05:19 PM #62
A bit uncalled for Jeffa, we get your piont, but i personally think that this is a subject worthy of good comment.
IanDon't believe everthing you hear & read.
Sometimes experience & wisdom are better options.
Have you guys read the relevant sections of 'The Complete Carpet Python' i.e Section III?
There's a few chapters that are well worth reading and pertinent to this discussion.
Used to wonder about all the B & W jungles, all the adults i seen were brownish smudged animals but young ones were whites, always thought they were a rip considering how they were marketed compared to how they turn out.
- 30-Jun-12, 10:28 PM #68
There are some very nice adult B&W carpets around, Colin has got some very clean B&W stock. Line breeding can improve the coloration of adults but it's different in the wild.
I may not have much to offer, but as far as I know Cape Yorks, mot the intergrades, are a locality type of Jungle and have southern and northern types. This info is what I know from Kel and Julie Worleys bloodlines of Cape Yorks, member michelle can tell you more.I'm after carpet pythons; would prefer stripes, females, pure or crosses, have 39 so far and more on their way. Not a tyrekicker, I just ask many questions and Im over friendly & talkative too.
- 02-Jul-12, 06:20 PM #70
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Cape York are called a locality and that locality is further split up
But in reality they are exactly the same snake in biological terms
In essence there are places where most diamond pythons are nearly black
in other places they are mainly yellow tinged
But biologically they are identical so calling one group a special name based on a locality
is not really an accurate description
In saying that knowing the parentage of say an advertised Palmerston jungle can be pretty important
thats because Palmerstons and Tullys should be smaller and are usually more brightly marked that Athertons for example
So if you buy a Palmerston hatchy and it turns into a drab coloured 8ft jungle you probably didnt get a Palmerston
- 02-Jul-12, 07:00 PM #71
Darwin but after owning many Darwins I can confidently say they are very different in appearance. Even the hatchies produced from these guys arnt red like Darwin hatchies.
- 02-Jul-12, 08:54 PM #73
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A very interesting discussion and a very interesting read.
In my opinion, all the carpets are the same species, whether subspecies are recognised is debatable too. I don't like the use of locatilies within captivity as they are too hard to prove. All too often there is 'hybridisation' between localities and which locality the young are sold under is up to the discretion of the breeder. In an ideal world the offspring would be marketed as just carpet but the reality is quite different. I like the thought of buying locality based animals but without a pedigree system it is too hard to prove.
I think that within each 'subspecies' of carpet there seems to be more variance than between 'subspecies' making a 'subspecies very difficult to define. Without geographic barriers I feel they are just a single species spread over a large range with a natural variance in colour, pattern, size etc.
Just my thoughts :-)
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