Albino olive on herp trader.

[boa]

Backwards ? Do you mean albinos lack all pigment ? Leaucictics lack all skin pigment but have blue or black eyes but absolutely no colour at all whereas albinos can be incredibly colourful.

Originally Posted by fishbot

Umm, isnt that backwards? Leucistic lacks body pigment but retains pigment in eyes.

[fishbot]

leucistic is a colour variation that is often white, i have bred leucistic budgies that were yellow. Atleast i think they were classed as leucistic =p

[waruikazi]

Well they couldn't be leucistic if they had colour in them. I think you'll find that most if not all leucistics have resulted from a combination of morphed genes so the budgies that you have bred may only have one of those genes that are required to produce a leucistic.... Maybe?

[beknluke]

From what I have read, Leucistic animals cannot carry any colour on their skin (unless their a a part leucistic ie piebald etc) where as an albino can still carry yellow, orange and red pigmentation on their skin. So I don't think that it would be possible (according to the books) for a 100% leucistic to be yellow Strange. Maybe I have to keep reading

[star11]

O.K. then, when you breed two hets together you get some albinos, some hets, and some norms right?

And you don't know the dif betwen the norms and the hets....so when it comes time to sell them, what do people ask for for posible hets?

Thanks for the info guys :wink:

[waruikazi]

Oh dear I'm getting confused...

[fishbot]

/Shrug boa

I dont think either definition is perfect but my main concern was the use of the phrase "A leucistic animal lacks all pigment ". You cant say they lack ALL pigment if they have pigment in their eyes. Maybe im being anal =/

[beknluke]

Pos hets are more expensive in snakes from what I've seen. Albinos = top dollar, hets = very expensive, possible hets = still expensive, normals = usual prices.
Good luck Star

[beknluke]

Here's some reading for ya guys

Leucisim is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation, it is one of two conditions that produces apparently anomalous white animals from parents that are otherwise normally coloured.
Leucisim is often mistaken for albinism, due to the similarity in the white colour exhibited by some animals. Leucistic animals lack all colour in their skin, fur, or feathers; but generally have normally coloured eyes. Like albinism, leucisim can be inherited by offspring, though not as consistently or reliably, and the gene does not appear to be fully recessive as is the case with albinism.
While albinism results in an animal lacking the normal melanin (and occasionally other) pigment cells, leucistic animals retain the cells; but lack an enzyme needed to activate the pigment. Albino animals — most notably reptiles and birds, though the phenomenon has some parallels in fish as well — can still retain colour from erythrin (red-orange) and xanthin (yellow) pigments; unlike leucistic animals, which do not have any active pigments.
Another key difference is that leucisim can also be localized and incomplete, affecting only part of the animal (whereas albinism, anerythrism, and axanthism always affects the entire animal); with irregular patches of white on an animal that otherwise has normal colouring and patterning. This produces what is known as a "pied" or "piebald" effect; and the ratio of white to normal-coloured skin can vary considerably not only between generations, but between different offspring from the same parents, and even between members of the same litter. This is most notably known in the urban crow[1] and the ball python[2] but is also found in many other species.

[waruikazi]

Well if you consider the old saying that your eyes are windows to your soul, and then you agree with the Christian idea that only people have souls. Then you could assume that they have a dark void where their soul should be and because they are missing all pigment and we assume from their eyes also, then perhaps we are seeing clearly into the void of their souless bodies unadaultered by pigment, therefore causing them to appear black.

[boa]

Ah OK then.

Originally Posted by waruikazi

Well if you consider the old saying that your eyes are windows to your soul, and then you agree with the Christian idea that only people have souls. Then you could assume that they have a dark void where their soul should be and because they are missing all pigment and we assume from their eyes also, then perhaps we are seeing clearly into the void of their souless bodies unadaultered by pigment, therefore causing them to appear black.

[boa]

Yes I think you are being a bit anal. They lack all pigment in their skin.

Originally Posted by fishbot

/Shrug boa

I dont think either definition is perfect but my main concern was the use of the phrase "A leucistic animal lacks all pigment ". You cant say they lack ALL pigment if they have pigment in their eyes. Maybe im being anal =/

[waruikazi]

You can't argue with logic Boa

[star11]

...Thanks again everyone

I will have an albino one day, they are awesome!
I am not too interested in the returns, i just need to convince my Mrs why we have to sell the car to get one. :wink:

True Blue, I love that snake! Will you be breeding it with another albino next season or another het?

Jus

[njmpm]

I think that a load of us should just go into a partnership and purchase it, then when we start breeding we all get to keep the babies...