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10-Mar-07, 10:31 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender:  | | | | Dramas Dramas Dramas!!! All over how a rat falls asleep / dies!! In future i am now gunna put a pin through its head then freeze it (once i know its dead), as thats what many other people have said is BETTER to do. So i am gunna give it a go. Now is there any one else who wants to continue this debate?!? Or are we finally over and done with?!?!
No hard feelings?!? I enjoyed this debate, i learnt not to be HONEST!! LOL!!!
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10-Mar-07, 10:32 PM
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Please keep this thread civil and don't get into personal attacks, we all have our own opinions on the subject. THANKYOU.
My personal experience is that I lay down a flat peice of plastic sheeting on the garage floor, take out the pinkie mice or rat pups and throw them really hard onto the plastic sheeting, I have maybe 2 out of 100 split.
Most die first throw, some will be stunned and die second throw.
I believe this to be a quick and efficient way to kill them.
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10-Mar-07, 10:33 PM
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Alright.. Back to the live feeding then shall we??
What things have you tried to get your snake off live??
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10-Mar-07, 10:36 PM
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It is because we care how a rat "falls asleep" that we are good people. We respect life in all it's forms. We want to do what is kindest for an animal, even if it is just a "food item".
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10-Mar-07, 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal  I have never found 2 snakes that are the same!! as for Ashleigh:] like you said you have no experience, and do you think that a snake that has been fed nothing but live food for 4 years of its life is gunna turn around and eat dead?!? |
Ok I have to comment on this....
About 7 years ago I got an adult male coastal carpet (he was older than 4 years) of a redneck who only feed him live rats , It took me close on 12 months to get him eating frozen rats (trying once a month) , I still have him now and he never misses a meal.
As for ashleigh being new to keeping snakes , she seems understand alot more than most newbie-snake keepers seem to atm.
Sure feeding live is "natural" but snakes kept in captivity is not natural , easy.
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10-Mar-07, 10:46 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender: | | | | Ashleigh... i have starved her, i have made the dead rat look as much alive as possible, i hit her with it, i left it with her over night, i brained it, rubbed it all over her. So many things i have tried *sigh*. She hasnt (and WILL NOT) get hurt or bitten by eating live rats, the rats i feed to her (will sound mean) but i handle them alot, so they are friendly and dont see it coming when she strikes and coils it. She is quick!! Even i dont see it coming!! (i am being nice so DONT ANYONE critisize me please)
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10-Mar-07, 10:49 PM
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One day your snake " WILL" be injured when coiling around a live rat.As far as switching the live feeder over to FK or FT you can do it with time and patience.
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10-Mar-07, 10:50 PM
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you really hav no clue
you stated awhile back in your thread you only feed your snake live pinkys, yet you have said a couple of pages back that your snake has been fed live food for the last 4 years. does that mean you have a 4 yr old snake and your only feeding it pinkies......
heres some advice for free.......
giv your animals away to someone who can look after properly and buy one of those pet rocks australis was advertising...
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10-Mar-07, 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal Ashleigh... i have starved her, i have made the dead rat look as much alive as possible, i hit her with it, i left it with her over night, i brained it, rubbed it all over her. So many things i have tried *sigh*. She hasnt (and WILL NOT) get hurt or bitten by eating live rats, the rats i feed to her (will sound mean) but i handle them alot, so they are friendly and dont see it coming when she strikes and coils it. She is quick!! Even i dont see it coming!! (i am being nice so DONT ANYONE critisize me please) | Well.. You said you what.. starved her for a month.. wow.. that isnt long at all!!
Like trousa, he starved his for a whole year until it took it!
It doesnt even seem like you are trying.
And how can you not expect people to critize you, look at what you are doing!
And for calling me stupid, you dont know the first thing about me!
I havent said anything peronal about you, only stated that i think what you do is wrong.
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10-Mar-07, 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenWillow It is because we care how a rat "falls asleep" that we are good people. We respect life in all it's forms. We want to do what is kindest for an animal, even if it is just a "food item". | I disagree, we as a society call ourselves good people because we think what we are doing is ok. Us killing any animal that wasn't meant to die is cruel so we are not kind. Dosn't matter how we kill it were still killing it. Even the people who think they have never killed a thing have, think of the land your house was built on, think of the wooden furniture, think of the backburning etc etc, we kill innocent animals everyday for our own good and benifit. I don't think all those poor animals that get caught in our backburning get a choice on how nice or quick it is to get burnt alive. Like I said earlier I am not arguing which is the nicest method to kill something. What I'm saying is at the end of the day we are not nice people at all if we think we have the right to kill anything that wasn't meant to die full stop..
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10-Mar-07, 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal Ashleigh... i have starved her, i have made the dead rat look as much alive as possible, i hit her with it, i left it with her over night, i brained it, rubbed it all over her. So many things i have tried *sigh*. She hasnt (and WILL NOT) get hurt or bitten by eating live rats, the rats i feed to her (will sound mean) but i handle them alot, so they are friendly and dont see it coming when she strikes and coils it. She is quick!! Even i dont see it coming!! (i am being nice so DONT ANYONE critisize me please) |
I'm sorry I am not having a go at you (will I am trying very hard not to) but how can you say a rat (no matter how tame ) will not fight for its life when a pyhton is going to eat it... I have seen captive snakes lose eyes from rat bites etc (none of my snakes are feed live)
Sure they eat live in the wild , but how manny snakes die from infections from geting bitten by what they have atacked in the wild.
Maybe look abit more into what people are saying to you about why not to feed live and I am sure you will understand where they are coming from.
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10-Mar-07, 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by melgalea python gal
you really hav no clue
you stated awhile back in your thread you only feed your snake live pinkys, yet you have said a couple of pages back that your snake has been fed live food for the last 4 years. does that mean you have a 4 yr old snake and your only feeding it pinkies......
heres some advice for free.......
giv your animals away to someone who can look after properly and buy one of those pet rocks australis was advertising... |
Were did she say she only fed live pinkie's, she said she only freezes live pinkies.  . And like I said earlier melgalea, don't make personal judgement on someone when you have never met them. U havn't seen her snakes, u dont' see how much she loves them and looks after them. I can gaurantee you there's a lot more people on here that deserve pet rocks than her.  . So pretty much everyone who has ever fed there snake a live rat should sell them cause they can't look after them .
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10-Mar-07, 11:06 PM
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ALLANA
python gal stated that her snake only eats live rats.....she also stated that she doesnt and will not feed them live fuzzys or adults. so obviously she must be feeding them pinkies. get ya facts straight.
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10-Mar-07, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by allana1313 I disagree, we as a society call ourselves good people because we think what we are doing is ok. Us killing any animal that wasn't meant to die is cruel so we are not kind. Dosn't matter how we kill it were still killing it. Even the people who think they have never killed a thing have, think of the land your house was built on, think of the wooden furniture, think of the backburning etc etc, we kill innocent animals everyday for our own good and benifit. I don't think all those poor animals that get caught in our backburning get a choice on how nice or quick it is to get burnt alive. Like I said earlier I am not arguing which is the nicest method to kill something. What I'm saying is at the end of the day we are not nice people at all if we think we have the right to kill anything that wasn't meant to die full stop.. | Perhaps you should take your friend Python_gal's advice and not have any snakes. Then perhaps you should leave your house and live in a cave somewhere. Perhaps you should not drink water, it has tiny little critters in it. Perhaps you should not eat vegetables, as they are living, until you pluck them from the soil.
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10-Mar-07, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenWillow Perhaps you should take your friend Python_gal's advice and not have any snakes. Then perhaps you should leave your house and live in a cave somewhere. Perhaps you should not drink water, it has tiny little critters in it. Perhaps you should not eat vegetables, as they are living, until you pluck them from the soil. |
Crap youse is being a smart person Green willow 
(smart in a good way  )
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