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10-Mar-07, 01:35 PM
|  | Bonus Member Subscriber | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Ballina, Northern NSW. Age/Gender: 24  | | | Quote: |
well ya'll gotta remember they are just food!!
| Not until they are dead. Until that, they are a live animal. Freezing them takes hours to die, while Co2 or banging them is quick and saves any UN-NESSESARY suffering of the animal. |
10-Mar-07, 01:39 PM
| | | | i use to freeze my rats until i learnt that this was wrong, now i smack em on the head and bag em and freeze em. much more pleasent. |
10-Mar-07, 01:42 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Modbury SA | | | | cant they be left in the garage with the car running? |
10-Mar-07, 01:53 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Darwin NT Age/Gender: 23 | | | | They die in the freezer very quickly. It was a vet who told me it was a humane way to do it so as far as i'm concerned there is no problem with freezing them.
And as for grabbing their tails and whacking them as hard as you can onto some object... when was the last time you tried to do this? Their tails are so small it's hard enough to hold them using a pair of tongs! Killing them this way or trying to kill them this way will result in a tail-less pinky flying across the room still alive.
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10-Mar-07, 01:59 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 23 | | | | Apparently with pinkies up to 6 days old hypothermia is an effective means of anesthesia, even for surgery. So it would seem it would be perfectly humane to freeze young pinkies.
Not sure what happens after 6 six days but it is then considered not acceptable. |
10-Mar-07, 02:01 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Cairns | | | | Easy way to kill pinkies is just to push down hard on their neck with a pen or screwdriver or similar.
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10-Mar-07, 02:14 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: Newcastle Gender: | | | I beleave there is still brain activity after 18hrs in the freezer, a VET told me.   |
10-Mar-07, 02:16 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Darwin NT Age/Gender: 23 | | | | What's your point? I think you will find there is alot of brain activity ofter donging both adult and pinky rats on the head. That doesn't mean they aren't dead.
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10-Mar-07, 02:18 PM
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I think you will find there is alot of brain activity ofter donging both adult and pinky rats on the head.
| Not after 18 hours...... |
10-Mar-07, 02:21 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: Newcastle Gender: | | | | My point being get a new VET buddy. Your full of yourself! |
10-Mar-07, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonustokin  Not after 18 hours...... | So you are saying they are still alive if they still have been frozen for 18 hours and feeling pain? Something weighing in at maybe 5 grams will be a solid block after 18 hours in the freezer.
If you don't agree with euthenasing them this way then don't do it no one is forcing you to. You may even take a further step and not buy any pinkies that have been killed this way. It's your perogative.
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10-Mar-07, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal well ya'll gotta remember they are just food!! If you think freezing rats is inhumane, then dont feed your snakes at all, coz either way its in humane for the animal thats getting eaten!! | I strongly disagree. Eating meat, no matter which creature is doing the eating, is not inhumane. But the way an animal is kept and killed may be. We happily eat sheep and cows, but become furious to see them suffering in countries overseas where they have been shipped for the exact same purpose. I would not eat foi gras or veal calf. I do not eat the eggs of battery hens. And while I do not expressly object to the consuming of dogs in some cultures, I am abhored by the idea of beating them to death in order to eat them.
Yes, I hold freezing rats to kill them to be inhumane. However my pythons do not starve because fortunately there are a variety of other ways to kill a rat which are vastly kinder than freezing it!
I agree with Bonustokin. Rats deserve consideration for how they live AND DIE as much as any other creature. |
10-Mar-07, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MDPython My point being get a new VET buddy. Your full of yourself! | So i'm full of myself for sharing the way i kill my pinky rats? And then justifying my decision?
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10-Mar-07, 02:52 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: NSW | | | | It is not many people these days who would disagree with the notion that gassing an animal or knocking it over the head to kill it is as cruel a way to bring about its demise as freezing it.
If the only method of killing rats for my pythons to eat was to freeze them then I would not keep pythons.
I agree with you that killing something isn't "nice" but there are ways of doing it which cause much less suffering than some other ways. |
10-Mar-07, 02:57 PM
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I agree with you that killing something isn't "nice" but there are ways of doing it which cause much less suffering than some other ways.
| Took the words straight from my mouth. | | |
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