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10-Mar-07, 07:45 PM
|  | Seller | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: Brisvagas | | | | HEY RAT KILLER !!! what ya up to tommorow lol
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10-Mar-07, 07:50 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender:  | | | | SORRY MDPython. i was just making sure. Dont know what to believe, all the "dishonesty" and "allegations" going around... Hey allana!! I'll probably just freeze some more rats....
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10-Mar-07, 07:55 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: NSW Gender:  | | | Thats cool, yep it gets a bit ruff around here, but just keep in mind that old saying Sticks & Stones, i prefer Water off a ducks back...  |
10-Mar-07, 08:05 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender: | | | | Yer i know, i kinda gathered that!!! I like the water off a ducks back better!!! i wont lose sleep over it!!!
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10-Mar-07, 08:10 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jul-06 Location: brisbane Age: 29 | | | | weather you knock them on the head freeze or gas, the end result is still the same, your pet has to be fed!!
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10-Mar-07, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal  "Further, I'm not sure you DO understand the debate about what is cruel and what is not, as a little earlier on in the debate you were advocating putting rats into the freezer to kill them"
Maybe if you had of read earlier on you would have seen that i only freeze PINKIES, not fully grown rats (not that i am condoning freezing, geez, where has that got me). I dont think its fine, but its the way i have been shown to do it, so i do it. |  Oh please, Python_gal. If I could be bothered I would go back to your posts, quote sections and demonstrate exactly where and how you were indicating in no uncertain terms that you kill adult rats by putting them into the freezer. However, I have better things to do. Further, it would be unfair to you as we are clearly unmatched as debate opponents. (Thought I'd try a bit of that honesty myself! ) |
10-Mar-07, 08:25 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender: | | | | Finally!! some one who see's it the same way as i do!!!
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10-Mar-07, 08:28 PM
| | Seller | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: Brisvagas | | | hmmm what gets me is it's bad to kill a rat by freezing, drowning etc etc. Yet it's ok for us to set out rat bate that kills them slowly and they suffer, put out rat traps that smash them and god only knows what else yet it's not ok to kill them any other way then gassing or snapping there necks  . Yet what makes me laugh is if you had a room full of people that say killing rats for food in a manner other than CO2 etc is bad and had a heap of rats running around them they would be screeming to get them lol, yet while there in a cage and look all cute and cuddly you don't wanna hurt them. I think if u can't handle the fact that there are going to be snakes that on the odd occasion need live food then don't own them, there not a pet dog or cat.
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10-Mar-07, 08:41 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenWillow Oh please, Python_gal. If I could be bothered I would go back to your posts, quote sections and demonstrate exactly where and how you were indicating in no uncertain terms that you kill adult rats by putting them into the freezer. However, I have better things to do. Further, it would be unfair to you as we are clearly unmatched as debate opponents. (Thought I'd try a bit of that honesty myself! ) | Well, if you READ THE QUESTION that was put on this in the first place, you will see that the person was asking about PINKIES?????!!!! So therefore i was referrring to PINKIES, i would NEVER freeze a FUZZY rat let alone an ADULT!!! Also... if you read the rules fully it states that if your snake won't eat dead and you can prove it, that it's legal to feed live because you must feed your snake and not let it starve, you will get into more trouble for starving your snake to death then feeding it a few live rodents 
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10-Mar-07, 08:43 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-03 Location: here | | | | Why would you never consider freezing a fuzzy or adult although think its perfectly acceptable to freeze live pinks? |
10-Mar-07, 08:46 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: NSW | | | | What can I say, clearly you are more intelligent, more educated and much better versed in argument technique than me. |
10-Mar-07, 08:49 PM
| ![Ashleigh:]'s Avatar](http://www.aussiepythons.com/forum/customavatars/avatar2727_1.gif) | Regular Member | Join Date: Oct-06 Location: Caboolture, Brisbane Age/Gender: 16 | | | | Python gal, you stated that you made your snake starve for a whole month..
WOW! they can go much longer without food! Leave it for 2 months and then try with a really smelly rat, im sure it would work if you were persistent! And if not.. Leave it even longer!!
And yer im not very experienced at all, but think about it, would you like to be chucked in a freezer room and freeze to death?? and suffer for hours on end??
Or would you prefer to be quickly hit over the head and not suffer at all??
I think freezing is just plainly heartless!
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10-Mar-07, 08:56 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-06 Location: sunny QLD Gender: | | | | coz it takes longer for an older rat to fall asleep!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes.
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10-Mar-07, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Python Gal coz it takes longer for an older rat to fall asleep!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes. | If you are going to use that argument why dont you word it correctly?
It should read like this.......coz it takes longer for an older rat to FREEZE TO DEATH!!!! whereas a da old pinky only takes 20 minutes |
10-Mar-07, 09:04 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: NSW | | | | I can't help it. Your reasoning just makes such poor sense that I can't not respond. So, freezing to death over a twenty minute period is okay?
There are kinder ways of killing a critter than freezing it. Therefore two minutes, twenty minutes, or longer is an unnecessarily cruel length of time, and unacceptable. | | |
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