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16-May-03, 12:54 AM
| | Seller | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Western Sydney | | |
Is Boiga fusca (banded northern form) the same species as Boiga irregularis (eastern brown tree snake) ??
I thought they were the same species, so why two different scientific names?
Also, for NSW, the species list only has Eastern brown tree snake Boiga irregularis
So , if they are then two differnt sub-species, can the northern banded form be kept in NSW?
thanks guys
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16-May-03, 01:27 PM
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Is Boiga Fusca (northern banded form) commonly known as "Night Tigers"
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16-May-03, 01:52 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Nunya | | | |
We were thinking about purchasing Boiga fusca(banded tree snake) but like you couldn't find it on the species list of NPWS.
As I understand it there are quite a few sub species in the Boiga class both native and exotic.
Also as I understand it one of the common names of Boiga irregularis is "night tiger".
The only thing I can offer as to wether you are allowed to keep the banded tree snake would be to ring the NPWS.
cheers M........
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16-May-03, 08:19 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | |
there was a huge disscsion on australian herps a while ago about this.
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16-May-03, 10:08 PM
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there was a huge disscsion on australian herps a while ago about this.
| And the upshot of that discussion was what Alexahnder?
M......
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16-May-03, 10:27 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-03 Location: silverdale, nsw | | | |
boiga fucius and boiga irregularis hav been classified as one species. They are both now classified as boiga irregularis.
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16-May-03, 10:57 PM
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sorry basically Jeff Hardy said (i am not 100% sure about this though) that npws treats them as one species. best to ring Npws though to be certain
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16-May-03, 11:27 PM
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Alex is right!
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17-May-03, 05:48 PM
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Actually, he said they were going to have a new code for fuscus. He did actually give the code out but no idea what it was sorry. But fuscus can be kept on the irregularis code because as far as they are concerned, they are the same. Confused yet? I am.
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17-May-03, 06:08 PM
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good stuff 
I am thinking of getting a pair from snakesNT
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17-May-03, 06:11 PM
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A quote from Jeff Hardy on Australianherps list re this topic.
"As far as I have been able to
determine, there is no scientific acceptance of B. fusca as a
species. However, I have decided that, for recognition of licensee
collections purposes, to accept B. fusca as a distinctive geographic
morph of B. irregularis, in much the same context as recognition of
the "subspecies" of carpet pythons for the purposes of identifying
different geographic races."
"Boiga irregularis can already be kept as Class 1 in NSW, so
recognition of the geographic variant as B. fusca is already approved
for keeping in NSW - we will now simply be giving the keepers the
opportunity to record their animals as B. fusca instead of B.
irregularis."
There are still many scientists that don't accept the carpet python
complex - including the Census of Australian Vertebrate Species
CAVS) - Australian Biological Resources Study (ABRS), which still
refuses to allocate species codes for the carpets and has yet to
allocate codes for quite a few recently described species. The codes
in use for the carpets and many of John Cann's turtles and a few
other recently described species are prefixed with the letter "T"
which indicates temporary code allocated by NSW NPWS for database
management and record keeping purposes. Have a look at the Common
Names file in the NSW NPWS folder in "Files".
I don't agree that the allocation of a record keeping species code to
acknowledge the existence in collections of what some people regard
as a very distictive geographic varient, race or "species" is ill-
advised or jumping the gun?
Regards,
Jeff Hardy
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17-May-03, 06:15 PM
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Greg, in an eailier post on that topic, he gave the new number. Don't s'pose you can be bothered chasing that up as well? I know I can't. 
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17-May-03, 07:15 PM
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Can't find it Craig.
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