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28-May-06, 09:07 AM
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There was apparently a recent study that showed the Jungle and Coastal Carpet share the exact same genetic make up so are in fact the same species. Does any have anymore information on this study, eg links to it ?
If this is the case does that mean the names cheynei and mcdowelli are redundant and crossbreeding isn't in fact an issue ? I have no interest in crossing them but it does seem like a very important piece of news especially considering the laws up here in Queensland.
I apologise if this has already been posted.
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28-May-06, 09:17 AM
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that would be very interesting to check out boa.
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28-May-06, 09:18 AM
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I'd also like to hear about this study, I've heard a variety of things involving Carpet Python Genetics, from the sub species being chopped up into full species to them all being basically the same things simply with a high variety of forms. Would love to see papers about this.
Nothing wrong with reclassifying so long as there is good reason to.
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28-May-06, 09:25 AM
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I think we will see huge advances in the next few years. I think I go along with them all being basically the same species with as you say a huge variety of colour forms. The ONLY way to classify them is through the use of DNA. If they are identical genetically then any clour or pattern variation is completely irrelevant as far as species classification goes I would have thought ?
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28-May-06, 09:33 AM
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so............, does anyone have any info on it ? pretty please !! with a fat cherry on top ! (who stole my smileys?!!)
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28-May-06, 09:39 AM
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I am still trying to track down the info on it now.
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28-May-06, 09:41 AM
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Boa, regardless of any re-classification that may happen. A jungle is still a jungle.
Justify your crossbreeding some other way - morals outweigh technicalities.
Good luck with your 'huge advances' .
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28-May-06, 09:56 AM
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28-May-06, 10:15 AM
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they are the same species, thats been known for years, but they are sud-species. so crossing IMO is a form of cross breeding. Just like diamonds and carpets.
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28-May-06, 10:21 AM
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Of course the fact that they are the same species has been known for years the point of this research seems to be that they are not sub species as they are genetically identical. It is sort of like saying someone with pale skin and red hair is a sub species of homo sapien.
It's absolutely fine for you to have the opinion that it is cross breeding but if they are genetically identical it quite clearly can't be cross breeding.
I'm not to sure about the genetics of coastals and Diamonds but I would guess they are different ?
I should add that of course a Jungle is still a Jungle just like a Birsbane coastal will always be just that and all the other forms of coastals as well.
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28-May-06, 10:26 AM
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well think about it boa, they are NOT genetically identical, look at the size and patteren differences, thats all down to genetics, and they are miles apart in most cases there.????
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28-May-06, 10:31 AM
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So you are saying that if in fact this study does show them to be genetically identical as a species you will dimiss it ? Look at humans, I am 6 foot 5 with darkish hair and my wife is 5 foot 4 with light hair, we are both the same species but differ remarkably.
Should all he 'different' coastals be reclassified because some get to be 10 feet long and others 7 feet and some are light with big boofy heads and other dark with slimmer heads ?
How can you say that they are NOT genetically identical if a scientific study of their DNA shows they are ?
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28-May-06, 10:38 AM
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Why will certain animals of the same species only grow to a very small size and others to a very larger size in certain areas?, this is genetic evolution and differs from each other. Thats how i can say that.!!
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28-May-06, 10:42 AM
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I doubt they'd be identical genetically, quite similar maybe, but identical? I have my doubts, they are two very different snakes and at the very least are seperate races as I see it.
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28-May-06, 10:43 AM
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Again whay are some humans from certain areas short and blond or others tall and dark or any other combination ? So am I right in saying that you think coastals should be divided into many sub species as they show remarkable diversity ?
What I am saying is if it turns out to be true you cant argue with DNA it doesn't matter how strongly you feel about it.
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