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31-Jan-05, 06:53 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Perth Age/Gender: 23  | | | caudal lureing in aussie pythons
heres sumthing strange...... i know that GTP's use caudal lureing (excuse spelling) but i fed my male olive on saterday and he hit his 1st rat (he was half on the branch and half on the floor) and ate it fast as per usual
then this surprised me.... he started wiggling his tail (not like wagging it was mimicking a worm like a death adder does) i watched this for 5 mins continual wiggling of the tail
he then recived his 2end rat and dragged it into his hide n ate it
now id like to point out the few unusual circumstamces that isint usual for his typicle feed
1) he normaly gets 1 jumbo rat but got two this feed
2) i was rather close while he was feeding takeing foto's
3) he downed the 1st rat rather fast compaired to his normal feeding speed
4) he hissed at me while he was eating (undearstandable and i left him alone after this) and he never hisses
thoughts???
iv never herd of pythons appart from gtps lureing so im just curious
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31-Jan-05, 07:27 PM
| | Seller | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Western Sydney | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
There's an article in a previous Hawkesbury Herp. Society magazine where a guy writes of one of his diamond pythons and a murray darling caudal luring
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31-Jan-05, 07:31 PM
|  | biasedly unbiased Moderator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 Gender: | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
One of my Darwin pythons has also done this.
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31-Jan-05, 07:42 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: Brisbane | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
Kenshin,
Have you ever seen caudal luring in gtp or death adders?
A lot of pythons do an excited tail-wiggle around feeding time - not to be confused with caudal luring.
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31-Jan-05, 07:48 PM
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Mine was definitely trying to lure. The dead rat was at one end of the enclosure and she was sitting up the other end trying to lure it.
Unfortunately for her, dead rats are notoriously hard to lure.
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31-Jan-05, 07:51 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: Brisbane | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
What pose was she in Greebo - was her head moving at all - tongue flickering etc - did she move in any way? or remain totally motionless the entire time?
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31-Jan-05, 08:00 PM
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motionless all the time for me but that was an adder so its all good. but i have only seen it in adders personally and it looks awesome.
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31-Jan-05, 08:10 PM
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She was totally motionless except for her tail Ad. At first I thought she was just twitching her tail because she was excited/aggitated but she remained motionless for ages except for her tail.
I was surprised myself. I have seen my mates Death adders doing the same thing but had never heard of Darwins doing it.
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31-Jan-05, 08:27 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: Brisbane | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
Yeah Greebo, thats what i see as the major difference - It is said Woma tail lure - but I only see excited tail wiggles - usually everything else is moving too!! They have such a short fat tail too and a burrow animal, I am yet to be convinced.
When snakes tail lure - they are ambush hunting -relying on camoflauge and will not move whatsoever, it is usually when they are extremely hungry too. just my observations.
One thing is for sure - it is cool to watch!!
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31-Jan-05, 08:40 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Perth Age/Gender: 23 | | | |
i have seen death adders lure
my olive was definatly lureing i will have camera ready every feed to capture a vid clip if he ever does it again he also doesnt baloon out at the base of the tail like my female olive and female darwin does ill take some pics when he has digested more to show u what i mean.... just saying in my opinion he could pull off the whole lure thing
i just dident think pythons really did this and its unusual for me to see the olives useing there tails at all as my olives have rather stiff tails not all prehensile like the carpets so it was really unexpected having said that the only python id expect it from is the gtp cuzz of the visible adaptation it has on the tip of its tail
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31-Jan-05, 08:42 PM
| | Moderator Moderator | Join Date: Jun-03 Location: Sydney, NSW,Australia | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
I have observed it with some localities of woma's, but only with some individuals.
If you look closely at the end of their tail you can see that the scalation is quite different, they have a larger flatter looking few scales.
I could quite easily imagine them sitting in wait in a borrow with just their tail tip hanging out luring prey towards a dark borrow entrance.
Simon stone has commonly seen it with his Tanami animals, but harder at all with his Uluru.
Interesting to hear about it with other species of python though.
Neil
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31-Jan-05, 08:48 PM
|  | Sponsor | Join Date: May-04 Location: Melbourne | | | | RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
My Olives's lured when younger but now they just lunge ;-)
Olives are slender with a fine tail, as are many of the Australian pythons. It comes as no surprise to me that they lure.
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31-Jan-05, 08:57 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Perth Age/Gender: 23 | | | |
ahh i think its pretty cool that other aussie pythons use lureing i would have thought it would be more widely documented
about the scaleation of the woma tails has anyone got the means of getting some close up pics of the tailtips of different locals of womas
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31-Jan-05, 09:44 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-04 Location: North Carlton, VIC, Australia | | | | Re: RE: caudal lureing in aussie pythons
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Originally Posted by Greebo Mine was definitely trying to lure. The dead rat was at one end of the enclosure and she was sitting up the other end trying to lure it.
Unfortunately for her, dead rats are notoriously hard to lure. | You can say that again... lmao
my murray wiggles his/her tails too, but she/he is downing a rat at the time so i guess its a little different, i think of it more like a thankyou waggle hehe
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