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17-Mar-08, 01:21 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-07 Location: Karlskrona, Sweden Age/Gender: 25  | | |  Confused in the "Morelias jungle" - Latin names
Im probably not the first one to ask this, and hardly the last one either...
1 1/2 years ago I bought a snake under the name "Jungle Carpet Python". Obviously I can see in the papers its not a pure specimen. I have always refered to him as a "Jungle" but the other day some one told me he wasnt one. According to him the breeder never sold any Jungles that year, which I am aware of. Ive tried to google as much as I can but it seems I cant make any logical sense out of it yet...
From the Breeder Certificate it says:
Species: Morelia spilota ssp.
Father: Morelia spilota cheynei (Paul Harris "Trophy")
Mother: Morelia spilota ssp (Danish "High Yellow" Blood line)
Pic.  
What does the "ssp" mean - (I havnt googled it yet..)??
The same goes for the second snake I have. On the box it said: "Jaguar Sib."
In the papers it says:
Scientific Name: Morelia Spilota ssp variegatae - (im guessing its suposed to be variegeta - with out the "e")
Comon name:
Carpet Python
Pic. 
A few other questions...
I thought a "Jaguar", "Tiger" and so on were morphs?? And what does "HET" stand for??
I hope a kind soul could explain a few fundamentals and help me make these damn questionmarks in my head go away...
Thanks a million!
//Nick
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17-Mar-08, 01:52 AM
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Looks like a Jungle mate. According to the info posted the father was a Jungle, and presumably the mother also although it is likely to not be 100% pure. In any case your snake looks like a Jungle, whoever told you it didn't has no clue.
Very basically, a het is an animal that carries a gene but does not express the trait itself. Check out this webpage for more info: http://www.supersnakes.com/gwiz.htm
Jaguar and Tiger are two morphs, that is correct.
Ssp means subspecies, and Morelia spilota variegata refers to the Darwin Carpet Python subspecies.
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17-Mar-08, 02:01 AM
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Re: Jaguar Sib (sibling), that would suggest your snake was from a clutch which included some Jaguar hatchies.
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17-Mar-08, 07:20 AM
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Thank you so much for that!! That certainly cleared a few things out of my head! 
So could one say that my Variegata has the Jaguar trait however hasnt "developed" it fully?? Have I understod correctly??
Ive also seen "reduced pattern" and "HQD"... what defines them??
Im a pain arent I haha!
//Nick
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17-Mar-08, 07:51 AM
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No, jag sibs dont carry the gene, jags are only hets as it is, jag sibs are just normal siblings that often have markings totally different from normaly carpets from the generations of line breeding to produce the best jags which also chances what the normal sibs look like.
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17-Mar-08, 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBredli 
Ssp means subspecies, and Morelia spilota variegata refers to the Darwin Carpet Python subspecies.
| Morelia spilota variegata also refers to the Irian jaya/west papuan carpet python also, which is what yours is more likely to have in it than Darwin carpet.
Darwins are alot rarer in europe and US, where as the IJ's have been imported in large numbers.
I am sure at some point the darwins and IJ carpets will be looked at again and maybe reassigned new scientific names, but until then they both are refered to as variegata.
Neil
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17-Mar-08, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by hornet No, jag sibs dont carry the gene, jags are only hets as it is, jag sibs are just normal siblings that often have markings totally different from normaly carpets from the generations of line breeding to produce the best jags which also chances what the normal sibs look like. | Yes, that's right.
Many people think that to be a het it has to be normal looking wild type, it is true in the most part, however there are a few morph's that are visable hets, the Jag is a prime example of this.
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17-Mar-08, 08:31 AM
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OK, I understand.
They have several different common names. According to warious sites on the net the Darwin Carpet is another name for the Northwestern or Irian Jaya Carpet yes?
Edit - Sorry  Neil, I didnt notice your post at first... which answers my latest question about the Darwin and IJ. Thank you very much!!
//Nick
Last edited by leijon_morelia; 17-Mar-08 at 08:37 AM.
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17-Mar-08, 03:01 PM
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Heck I have them all and after reading this I'm confused lol. Jags or Jaguar 's are a Co dominate . Which without making you more confused and myself confused lol means that when you breed a Jag to whatever roughly half the babies will get the Jag gene and will be Jags, the other half will not and will look more or less normal.
Tigers are a Morph that still isn't completely understood some think it too is Co Dom but the jury is still out on that one.
As for variegeta or variegata I think it was used by mistake , I've seen the Europeans use it on shipping papers for Jags that were coastals so wouldn't pay that much attention.
If you want information from the breeders ask them, most are more than helpful especially when it comes to animals they have produced.. Randy
Last edited by ravensgait; 17-Mar-08 at 03:08 PM.
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