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11-Apr-04, 03:37 PM
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Hey guys was talking to someone at uni about Breeding pythons and he was saying to me that crossesor hybrids are somewhat hard to come by..
Whats the general opinion about hybrid pythons?
is it harder to breed them?
are they worth more?
Im just curious because thier is a possibility that one of my snakes is a diamond\coastal...im not 100% sure though
Happy Easter!
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11-Apr-04, 03:43 PM
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Let the GAMES BEGIN!!
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11-Apr-04, 03:53 PM
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If you think you have a Diamond? Coastal, that would not be a hybrid.
An intergrade is a natural mix of Diamonds and Coastal Carpets. It’s when they are found in the same area and interbreed.
As far as hybrids go, it's a bad thing imo and prob. a lot of other guys on here.
Some people think different I'm sure, but not too many I hope, as it is not a natural thing, not as natural as natural intergrade.
It is something that should be discouraged not promoted.
Ps. the snakes are worth less than pure bread one.
Anyway just my thoughts on the subject.
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11-Apr-04, 03:58 PM
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Hey Greebs,
might have to wait till everyone comes back from the holidays. :wink:  |
11-Apr-04, 03:59 PM
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11-Apr-04, 04:57 PM
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If it is a diamond cross coastal then it is a hybrid, not an intergrade.
I know it can be confusing.
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11-Apr-04, 05:04 PM
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That’s not what it says in my book.
An intergrade is a natural mix of Diamonds and Coastal Carpets. It’s when they are found in the same area and interbreed.
That's what it says.
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11-Apr-04, 05:23 PM
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Just had a look in a book called “Keeping Carpet Pythons” and it says; Natural intergrades of M s spilota and M s mcdowelli are known to occur in the northern most region of their distribution.
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11-Apr-04, 05:29 PM
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The areas meet when you check where they're distributed. In this Big land anything is possible.
MM
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11-Apr-04, 05:36 PM
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It is; according to the Oxford; the process of crossbreeding genetically different parents.
So you are correct Artie but most herpers tend to regard it as cross species. So anything in the M.spilota ssp that is interbred would be an interbreed or intergade/grate. While a Maccy with a stimsons or childreni would be a hybrid?
Dont know about you but Im confused.
What it boils down to is if you have a diamond why not try and breed it with another diamond.
There will be a big split in herp keeping where there will those trying to breed species and ssp to get better genetic traits occurring and those that just want to breed things that will end up as pets.
Its hard enough trying to sell real intergrades as it is.
Peter
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11-Apr-04, 06:18 PM
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People still seem to struggle understanding the whole diamond x coastal.
As Greebs pointed out if you breed a coastal with a diamond then you have a hybrid, NOT an intergrade. You can't make an intergrade by cossing species in captivity.
Intergrades have been breeding with intergrades for a long time in the wild and in the range of the intergade you don't find diamonds or carpets just intergrades.
Intergrade is the worst name for them, they should and probably soon will be renamed.
A jungle carpet x diamond is not an intergrade, it's a man made hybrid.
Diamonds and carpets did once overlap in the wild and the intergrade is the result, the start of a new sub species.
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11-Apr-04, 07:37 PM
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I used to think the same thing Artie until I had it explained to me.
To make it even more confusing, some people breed diamonds with coastals and wrongly label them as intergrades.
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11-Apr-04, 07:42 PM
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Go for it, I’m all ears!
I'll be most interested.
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11-Apr-04, 07:51 PM
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No-one explained it fairly well.
Intergrades are a new species that came into being where diamonds and coastals overlap.
If you read those quotes from the book you posted you will see that is actually what it says.
If you breed a coastal with a diamond you don't get an intergrade.
The games are well and truly on!
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11-Apr-04, 07:54 PM
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Hi, NoOne is correct. If you breed 2 distinct species or sub species together you have a hybrid, NOT an intergrade.
There are areas in Australia where 2 sub species meet. In these areas the 2 have been interbreeding with each other for thousands of years, making nearly a unique species, genetically different from the origional 2. These are intergrades.
It is not just Diamonds and Coastal Carpets that intergrade, allthough the most famous. It also occurs where Diamonds meet Inlands, Jungles meet Coastals, Maculosus meet Stimoni, Stimsoni meets Childreni.
Bob
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