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11-Nov-07, 07:58 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | Looking good, well done.
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11-Nov-07, 07:58 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | Yeah dang i saw that after paying twice that myself,oh well you get that,i can't see em dropping too much lower than that for a while then,who knows....i'm looking at finally breaking my woma hate relationship and getting a pair from snake ranch because they're finally a reasonable price,wishi'd have checked it out a lot earlier!
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11-Nov-07, 08:04 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | It's like I have said just because Snake Ranch have sold a few at that price it doesn't mean anyone else will, it would be mad to really with demand being what it is.
Yeah it's about time you got yourself some Womas.
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11-Nov-07, 08:53 PM
|  | Regular Member | | | | | Yeah i did that same thing browns finally getting myself a few womas. looking forward to getting them.
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12-Nov-07, 07:35 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Jun-05 Age: 32 | | | | I myself and a few other breeders have set the price at $2500 a pair for 100%het Darwins. If we sell we sell, if not we will have a lot of breeding size snakes in about a year and a half or so. The snake ranch can only produce so much of them. Nothing wrong with high white and extremely yellow albinos hey. And even if they were crosses i would not be selling any of them. Just curing my morbid fascination of what might be produced from them??!!!!! |
12-Nov-07, 08:37 AM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | This year our albino Carpets will be produced from Het to Het matings so we should have 25% "white" hatchoes , 50% hets and 25% normals. I was looking at selling 1 white hatchoe and 3 possible hets as a package to give others a chance at breeding their own albinos a little cheaper. What do you think? By the way I am no longer with Snake Ranch although still have most of therir genetics and more. |
12-Nov-07, 11:04 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-03 Location: here | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by wokka  This year our albino Carpets will be produced from Het to Het matings so we should have 25% "white" hatchoes , 50% hets and 25% normals. I was looking at selling 1 white hatchoe and 3 possible hets as a package to give others a chance at breeding their own albinos a little cheaper. What do you think? By the way I am no longer with Snake Ranch although still have most of therir genetics and more. | I guess as you set the price already for 100% het then your possible hets should be close to normal darwin price.Your one white hatchoe scenario may be ok as long as the white one is a male. |
12-Nov-07, 12:43 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | The chance of a possible het being a het is 2 in 3 or 66%. I dont follow the Ramsayi logic of them being the same price as normals. |
12-Nov-07, 01:01 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-03 Location: here | | | | wokka,
Snake ranch on the 20/20 deal had pairs of 100% het for $1280/pair? Based on that your 66% possibles should be substantially cheaper which shouldnt make them a hell of a lot dearer than normals.Eg: 66% at two thirds the price of 100% would make them $850/pair give or take based on the prices you set at the ranch. |
12-Nov-07, 01:14 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | Snake Ranch is selling snakes which dont even exist at the moment so you would expect them to be cheap. They have chosen to jump in and sign up all the buyers early. Its a gamble , but I believe the demand and subsequent price for animals ,which you can see and touch, will be higher as is indicated by the speed with which the Snake Ranch offer was taken up. You may even find those buyers are back out looking, if Snake Ranch has underestimated its future sucess. |
12-Nov-07, 10:35 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Oct-06 Location: Adelaide SA Gender:  | | | | I think you will find that snake ranch is trying to control the market & as mentioned is probably selling animals they havent even got, how many people out there have actualy got 100% hets at $1200 pair?
$2500 for a pair of 100% hets is a great price, compare that to albino olive prices! |
13-Nov-07, 07:28 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Far North Queensland Age/Gender: 22 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by wokka Snake Ranch is selling snakes which dont even exist at the moment so you would expect them to be cheap. They have chosen to jump in and sign up all the buyers early. Its a gamble , but I believe the demand and subsequent price for animals ,which you can see and touch, will be higher as is indicated by the speed with which the Snake Ranch offer was taken up. You may even find those buyers are back out looking, if Snake Ranch has underestimated its future sucess. |
Not a happy camper hey  .
I highly doubt that any one will be willing to pay more then about $500 a pair for 66% hets, this season.
I dont think anyone will be to keen on paying more then $2000 a pair for 100% hets, there are to many people selling them for the $1000 mark anyway.
With the amount of 100% hets being bred this year, one could only imagine what price they will sell for, next season.
I would rather advertise them cheap , and sell them all before the price falls out to the same price as what we pay for normals now. |
13-Nov-07, 08:50 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Jun-05 Age: 32 | | | | Thats why we then keep them if they cant sell. Wait and see how many is around before you start telling people how the market will drop. The same happens every year with gtps and there are just none around. Sell them cheap and sell them quickly so just every one can breed them? Howdoes that logic work. Supply and demand the more there are the less the demand, the less there are the more of a demand. |
13-Nov-07, 08:52 AM
|  | Subscriber | | | | | I dont see why the 66%ers will fetch the same as normals, doesnt make any logical sense at all. With normals selling anywhere from $250 -$350 each for quality captive bred, I see many people paying a couple hundred dollars more a pair to give themselves a shot at making some Albinos down the track.
As for 100%ers, we shall see I guess. Price falls too low, Im sure most breeders will sell off their hatchling Albinos and keep a lot of hets and breed from them down the track. If you take emotion out of it and do some simple math, I think you will find that hets are a better gamble in the long run at the prices some are speculating.
As for the snake ranch prices, I highly doubt they will have a big impact on prices overall. I dont think they will breed enough to do so. For example, next year I could sell some really top looking jungles for $50 each, with the thousands upon thousands of them out there(actually probably more like 10s of thousands),I would do absolutely nothing to the market price with the couple clutches I could offer. People will still be charging anywhere from $300 to $1000 each.
We can all speculate as much as we want I guess but the market will ultimately decide. |
13-Nov-07, 09:05 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Darwin NT Age/Gender: 22 | | | | My advice to anyone buying 100% hets for any less than a grand each is do a serious credibility check on the person you are buying them from. People are far too quick to trust when it comes to reptiles over the internet and i have heard of people taking advantage of that trust with supposed hets last season. Het albino darwins have no visual signs of their genetics so even if you pay top $$ for them make sure you can trust your supplier.
This is not a dig at anyone who has contirbuted to this thread.
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