Good Signs on GTP pricing and Availability

[adazz]

How big is the market on roughies?? i havn't ever seen any for sale yet i imagine they'd be through the roof

[craftsman]

In my opinion, it's silly to compare GTPs to womas, roughies or any other pythons on the market. Whether you like them or not, they are the most outstanding (in many ways) species of all and they will ALWAYS be in great demand.
It will take a long time before someone starts consistently producing good quality designer morphs (and be willing to sell any) - they will cost absolute fortune. Just look at the ad no Trading Post - 5 year-old males $12,000.-
Considering the scarcity of native GTPs in collections, they will hold their price for a long time yet.
It seems that many consider the $5,000.- tag to be the "going price". I wonder, how many of those are genuinely bred in Aus and how many are being smuggled in as we speak. I am NOT suggesting that all GTPs sold at that price are sus! However, OPMV and IBD now exists in Aus collections - it didn't evolve here!

[Chimera]

Originally Posted by craftsman

However, OPMV and IBD now exists in Aus collections - it didn't evolve here!

I didn't realise that fact was proven, can you please point me to where you found that out?

[BIG RYANO]

Originally Posted by redcentrerodents

take a look at wild caught woma's from w.a. for example they are(2500) nearly double what w.a. b.h.'s are(1400), and 4 times more expensive than S.A., Tanami, Uluru, and all other forms at (650)

In my opinion those W.A womas are way overpriced. For $600 you can get a better looking Tanami. The looks just arent good enough to justify the price. Most of the better lines of Tanami's kill em for looks and are a quarter of the price. jmo.

[Owzi]

Bit weird that it hasnt been in Australian collections until recently dont you think Chimera?

Whats your opinion on it?

[BIG RYANO]

Originally Posted by Chimera

I didn't realise that fact was proven, can you please point me to where you found that out?

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

[craftsman]

Chimera, for obvious reasons I can't tell you where those diseases are but trust me, they are there. The unfortunate thing is, whose who have infected collections don't talk about it because nobody would by reptiles from them. It's a ticking time-bomb.

[yommy]

Originally Posted by BIG RYANO

In my opinion those W.A womas are way overpriced. For $600 you can get a better looking Tanami. The looks just arent good enough to justify the price. Most of the better lines of Tanami's kill em for looks and are a quarter of the price. jmo.

Do you even own a woma? The only east coast / central australian woma's that come close to my WA's are RHD.
I paid $1800ea for my boodaries and they are worth every cent. It all comes down to supply and demand regardless of species and if you think they are worth it in your eyes then you can be happy with your purchase.
different strokes for different folks......

[Jason]

Originally Posted by BIG RYANO

In my opinion those W.A womas are way overpriced. For $600 you can get a better looking Tanami. The looks just arent good enough to justify the price. Most of the better lines of Tanami's kill em for looks and are a quarter of the price. jmo.

have to agree with yommy on this one, imo most tanimi womas are pretty average compared to WA's or local RHD, rabbit flats etc. i cant think of many lines of tanimis that i would be interested in at all, i think this is supported by the going prices of tanimis, its hard to sell average ones for 1300 a pair at the moment and its cause evryone is going for the nicer WA's etc at higher prices. its no different to the pricing of GTP really. you pay more for an AUS green then a NG green, is it worth the extra dollars?.... depends on what you like. some dont see a difference between different womas, i dont see the need to pay an extra few grand for an AUS green when the NG's give more unusual ofsprings, there are no aussie green morphs yet.

Originally Posted by yommy

Do you even own a woma? The only east coast / central australian woma's that come close to my WA's are RHD.
I paid $1800ea for my boodaries and they are worth every cent. It all comes down to supply and demand regardless of species and if you think they are worth it in your eyes then you can be happy with your purchase.
different strokes for different folks......

agreed.

Originally Posted by Chimera

I didn't realise that fact was proven, can you please point me to where you found that out?

im curious on this topic aswell. is it proven that it was brought in with an exotic? there could be many other explanations.

[Chimera]

Originally Posted by craftsman

Chimera, for obvious reasons I can't tell you where those diseases are but trust me, they are there. The unfortunate thing is, whose who have infected collections don't talk about it because nobody would by reptiles from them. It's a ticking time-bomb.

Originally Posted by Jason

im curious on this topic aswell. is it proven that it was brought in with an exotic? there could be many other explanations.

craftsman, I think you missed the point of my statement, the origins of IBD and OPMV have not been proven to my knowledge.

I think you'll find that the existence of these diseases in illegal collections is more an artefact of poorly controlled illegal shipping and housing procedures rather than a plausible source of infection.

[BIG RYANO]

Originally Posted by yommy

Do you even own a woma? The only east coast / central australian woma's that come close to my WA's are RHD.
different strokes for different folks......

Yeah, i own eight. You've obviously never seen a decent Tanami. A few of my mates own W.A womas. There's nothing wrong with them, but their just average. Not worth what they paid for them. As you said "different strokes for different folks".
I'm not anti W.A womas, i just dont see what all the fuss is about.

[craftsman]

I got your point Chimera, there is no proof but it's odd that it first appeared at well known facility that imports reptiles.
It then appeared in a small number of collections, all containing GTPs of 'unknown origin'. Given the difficulties with smuggling reptiles into Aus after Sep 11, only the high prices species are still coming in through the back door, mainly GTPs.

[yommy]

Originally Posted by BIG RYANO

Yeah, i own eight. You've obviously never seen a decent Tanami. A few of my mates own W.A womas. There's nothing wrong with them, but their just average. Not worth what they paid for them. As you said "different strokes for different folks".
I'm not anti W.A womas, i just dont see what all the fuss is about.

fair call...........

my flavour is the WA and any locale specific animals, though i do agree there are some decent tanami out there.
It is the same for the greens i'd go an aussie over an import but others would disagree.
It will be years before we're any where near the designer animals the states have on offer.

[Chimera]

Originally Posted by craftsman

I got your point Chimera, there is no proof but it's odd that it first appeared at well known facility that imports reptiles.
It then appeared in a small number of collections, all containing GTPs of 'unknown origin'. Given the difficulties with smuggling reptiles into Aus after Sep 11, only the high prices species are still coming in through the back door, mainly GTPs.

You mean it was first reported by a facility that imports reptiles. If you're referring to the ARP it is probably worth noting that they also gathered a number of Death Adders from many local sources. Further to this, if you are replying on Hoser's OPMV paper for info on the desease and it's history then you only have one twisted and highly subjective opinion of the story with about as much grasp on reality as Alice in Wonderland.

[craftsman]

I am not referring Houser (who would?), nor I am looking for any proof or evidence. I am merely saying that OPMV and IBD exist in private collections and I am aware that some of those collections contain GTPs that arrived quite recently from Asian breeders.
End of story.