Green Tree Pythons - Hatchling colouration

[Pinkie]

Today I bought a jungle python from a well known breeder who used to study GTPs and many years ago had a permit from NPWS to collect from the wild for research. He worked together with R. <Roy?> Bredl.

He had three hatchling GTPs from the same clutch, one yellow, one moroon and one red turning green with flecks of black... They were so lovely...absolutely amazing, beautiful beautiful snakes.

I WANT I WANT I WANT

[Brodie]

kewl Pinkie!!!!!!!! I want some as well....but not for 5k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or 2k even!!!!!!!

[ReptileRascals]

As if you wouldnt pay 2k for one.
I would buy 5 right this moment at that price.

PS
Yea my cheque cleared this morning

[Fangs]

Hi Pinkie,
This link might explain a bit more about the GTP story in as far as who was lucky enough to get hold of some Aussie stock.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/austra.../message/31427

The entire thread has a lot of info in it even though it did end up getting a tad tedious.One comment in particular was that the vast majority of GTP's in collections are from Indonesian stock.

cheers M.......

a bloke got busted importing gtp and cobras into australia now he is behind ||| bars

[NoOne]

They were Emerald tree boas and king cobras, cobras died (3) tree boas(4) survived.

Every person in Australia who keeps gtps claims they are Australian gtps but the fact is most of them aren't.

[Pinkie]

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[pythonss]

hi pinkie.
yeah the feeling is that when the land was all one that they roamed free.
however it is now realised that there are very distinked species/forms of gtp with d.n.a supporting this. weather this being from genetics or evolution is not really knowen i dont think.

there is feeling that southern n.g and australian are very close in genetic make up.how ever animals from nth n.g , indonesia and associated islands are very differant from ours and each other.

northern animals do produce yellow babies as with every strain of gtp but the northern verietys do produce reds/oranges and a marron coloured babies mixed with the yellows. in single clutches.

there are many ongoing studies at this stage with regards to d.n.a data base information with a very good study taking place at this time here in australia. with microchipping and d.n.a samples being taken of many many indervidual animals. the us has been tracking gtp lines for many years and there are some great info that they have collected as to the differances in d.n.a, behaviour and visual content between these forms even down to neonate markings and colouration. with no sign of red babies in pure australian blood.
personaly i have never seen a red baby from whats considered australian stock with some clutches being as large as mid 20s with all being uniform yellow.
We have always been given the idea that red babies in australian gtp clutches would make blood lines questionable. but if you can point us in the direction of differant information i would be greatfull
gtp have a real interest for me and i reacon if i lived somwhere else this would be the species that we would favour. All the data that we have collected and read has mostly been from europe and the states so some good home grown info would be great thanks.

cheers paul.

[pythonss]

sorry pinkie forgot to add..lol

with out getting into names. the young ones you saw were last seasons hatchling with 2 others being obtained at the same time for another person. and they were breed south of the boarder ?
yeah and colour dosent mean that they were illegaly imported. but the parents/grandparent of maynot be of pure blood is all.
cheers paul.

[Pinkie]

Thanks for your informative input Paul, I will find out some further information for you.

P.S. The juvies I saw were all from the same clutch, bred in NSW (if my memory serves me correctly). But the breeder used to breed them himself years ago and is quite knowledgeable on the subject... I will pump him for some more info for you as he has written a few scientific papers on the subject.

P.P.S. I also want to possibly study GTPs for my postgrad uni degree if I can!!

[pythonss]

hey pinkie..

if you would like to get in touch with the guy doing it up there at the moment sing out. this is his second year in the iron range so he might be good for you to chat with?

cheers paul.

[Pinkie]

Yeah Paul I'm singing!!!! That'd be great thanks.

[jmbrimer]

Out of curiosity I posted the question to Bob Withey (one of the leading GTP men for 20 years in Aus ) Apparently pure bred Aussie Subspecies GTP's have never been know to hatch anything other than yellow in the wild, or captivity, but from his post I think I gathered that he thought that didn't mean it was impossible that it could happen..

[wattso]

Ah hell, buy a coastal and paint it yellow/green whatever ya like! no probs. lol :wink:

[ackie]

i hav heard of baby GTPs that hatch out blue but for sum reason dont end up changing to green at all,that would be awsome...dont ya think?

brendan