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11-Apr-08, 07:05 PM
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"Aussie" Green Tree Pythons have been talked about a bit lately with keepers guaranteeing stock ect, and now a current thread caught my eye "illegal jags", and in particular, this Quote:
the situation is more legitamate then the NG GTP that the large mojority of GTP keepers have here.
| Does this mean that the majority of GTP's are infact illegal animals and could technically be seized by an appropriate dept? If so, can anyone explain why they are being looked at in a completely different light than all other exotics? Did I also read somewhere recently that there are now dna profiles for "Aussie" animals that differ from those "exotics", there is a whole big can of worms that could be potentially openned here isn't there?
Why can 1 person keep foreign GTP's and another can't keep a Burmese Python (for example)?
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11-Apr-08, 07:08 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | The situation with GTP's was put in the too hard basket years ago. Even though for example local Greens do not produce red babies it is perfectly acceptable to breed them and openly advertise them. It has gone way too far now for the authorities to do anything about it and would tie up the court system for years.
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11-Apr-08, 07:45 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: May-05 Location: Sydney Gender:  | | | as boa said its way to far gone to worry bout now,to many GTP keepers and breeders around these days and most stock is NG. imo there is a large difference between GTP and boas etc, GTP are native to australia and wouldnt survive outside there natural range, boas corns, chameleon etc could potentially explode in the wild here. |
11-Apr-08, 08:11 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: northern nsw Gender: | | | | People have been keeping corns and boas for many years and they are in high numbers already but still haven't seen any wild population yet .......maybe we should get NG adders and taipans Jason???? |
11-Apr-08, 08:27 PM
| | | GTPs are a monotypic genus - they are all Morelia viridis, from NG or Australia makes no difference. If the species Morelia viridis is listed for keeping in the states that allow it, then you are permitted to keep it if it has been bred here. You may not import them from overseas, and animals which can be proven to have come into the country illegally will be confiscated and destroyed.
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11-Apr-08, 08:45 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: northern nsw Gender: | | | | So has long has you don't get caught bringing them in then breed them and sell them everything is fine.So taipans are possible must find way to get them here once i start breeding them i will be right. |
11-Apr-08, 08:59 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | jamgo,
No thats wrong - you will have to have them placed on your licence, which unless you buy from a licenced seller, or receive the neccessary permits for collecting them yourself is next to impossible. The GTP in question are on licence and were most likely put on licence when the licence system began.
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11-Apr-08, 09:04 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jamgo  People have been keeping corns and boas for many years and they are in high numbers already but still haven't seen any wild population yet .......maybe we should get NG adders and taipans Jason???? | Thats infact wrong - Both species have established small populations in Aust. I Have heard many rumours about cornsnakes especially being a common find in areas and have been indirectly told by one bloke that he sees boas on a regular basis when he is herping.
Its seems to me from the posts you have made lately that you are quite keen to find yourself some exotic reptile species (As well as another member, who i should say couldn't make it more obvious what his intentions are) and all i can say is don't even try. At the very least don't encourage it nor argue for exotics on this site. If I'm mistaken and have interpretted your posts wrongly - i apologise. |
11-Apr-08, 09:06 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: northern nsw Gender: | | | | No if you have taipans on licence already you just write them in like they do with the green trees and are still doing. |
11-Apr-08, 09:12 PM
|  | Ordo Atra Serpentis Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: Redfern Age/Gender: 24  | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mcloughlin2 Thats infact wrong - Both species have established small populations in Aust. I Have heard many rumours about cornsnakes especially being a common find in areas and have been indirectly told by one bloke that he sees boas on a regular basis when he is herping.
Its seems to me from the posts you have made lately that you are quite keen to find yourself some exotic reptile species (As well as another member, who i should say couldn't make it more obvious what his intentions are) and all i can say is don't even try. At the very least don't encourage it nor argue for exotics on this site. If I'm mistaken and have interpretted your posts wrongly - i apologise. | i don't now how good a source it is but in the recent reptiles australia mag a snake catcher said they get called out for corn snakes and boas in msw and vic that have wandered from the wild to peoples yards.
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11-Apr-08, 09:12 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | | No thats not how it works. Unless of course you have a male and female taipan.
Not sure on visual differences (if any) between NG taipans and AU taipans but if there are not any why would you bother anyway? |
11-Apr-08, 09:13 PM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Feb-08 Location: Sunshine Coast Age/Gender: 18 | | | | what if you have a licence to collect from the wild and you come across an exotic species such as a boa?
still illegal?
btw where are these small populations of boas?
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11-Apr-08, 09:17 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: northern nsw Gender: | | | mcloughlin2 where are these populations???I guess you believe there gtps in sydney also??and if i wanted exotics i would just buy a green tree python no questions asked then... |
11-Apr-08, 09:48 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Adelaide Age/Gender: 29 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by boa for example local Greens do not produce red babies. | I havnt heard that before.. Is that proven ?? I mean has every red baby born in Aus been dna tested? What about stats from the wild? or could this be a bit of an old wives tale?? I would be very interested in the evidence behind this, or is it something known by breeders?? If that is the case, and lines are heavily polluted with exotic blood, how do you know without dna?
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11-Apr-08, 10:14 PM
|  | Willia6 fan Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Victoria Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by BlindSnake I havnt heard that before.. Is that proven ?? I mean has every red baby born in Aus been dna tested? What about stats from the wild? or could this be a bit of an old wives tale?? I would be very interested in the evidence behind this, or is it something known by breeders?? If that is the case, and lines are heavily polluted with exotic blood, how do you know without dna? | It is impossible to prove, but there are no records of native Aus GTP's being red, same with the Meruke animals in PNG which the Aus population is closely related to.
I think the difference with the exotic GTP's compared to Jags is that they were declared during the amnesty so are legally on the book, which could never happen with Jags, unless a zoo decided to import some.
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