Recent Herp Discussion | | | | | | | Online Users: 115 | | 56 members and 59 guests | | adders, ally_pup, AnneC, bigguy, bitey, Blackdog, Camo, caustichumor, channi, colt08, cougars, darkangel, dragon lady, Earthling, fine_jungles, firezone1au, FNQ_Snake, fpvmatt, Grant_G, Hawke, Herc, Hydra, jaih, Jewly, Jonno from ERD, Joy from S & T, Jungletrans, Kelzarie, lawsonsdad, Lewy, Lockie, lovemypiggy, luke.r.s, LullabyLizard, Marto167, Mayo, Nagraj, niggz, nigmax, Nufsta, nuthn2do, onetimeuser, peterjohnson64, Pythonking, RedEyeGirl, rodentrancher, snakecharma, taylor111, TheBoga, troycoop, TWENTY B, VixenBabe, W.T.BUY, waruikazi, wills01 | |  | | 
11-Apr-08, 11:15 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Adelaide Age/Gender: 29  | | | | interesting...
I dont think I would take on the belief that there are NO aus red juvs, without alot of research. I think I will go with the "it has been suggested that there are no aus reds" until I can talk to a few people about this and do some research.
It would be very interesting to speak to someone who has been involved with the research in Iron Range..
I learnt years ago, that if you take for granted everything everyone says regarding herps, without doing your own research, you will be made a fool of very quickly..
__________________ Nighttigers With Attitude RIP Peter Bredl | 
12-Apr-08, 03:19 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-06 Location: Under the Hat Gender:  | | | | I'd have to agree more than once it has been said that such and such locality only produces this color baby only to eventually be proven wrong.. Randy | 
12-Apr-08, 04:27 AM
|  | Cutting Edge Morelia Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Snake Valley NSW Gender:  | | | | Greg Maxwell states in his most recent book "The offspring are yellow, and no maroon neonates have been observed in the wild or been produced by captive breeding of documened CapeYork specimens". Considering he is one of the foremost experts on Chondros in the world, I would have to say that it is fairly extremely likely to be true! Although he does also mention that some of the Europeans believe to the contary and that they have on occasion produced red babies from these animals, taking into the equation that there are no wild chondros in the EU, it is highly likely possibility that at some stage along the line that the blood line may have been crossed with another remembering that all the EU stock would have to be imported.
No Aussie breeder working with Iron Range Chondros have produced any reds from their stock, further backing this theory. | 
12-Apr-08, 06:49 AM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | I know one zoo has 10 adult imported gtp adults so once the zoo demands are met the progeny should be available on the Aus public market. | 
12-Apr-08, 08:42 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: Sydney, NSW | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by jamgo mcloughlin2 where are these populations???I guess you believe there gtps in sydney also??and if i wanted exotics i would just buy a green tree python no questions asked then... | Haha. But see i wouldn't post locations on a public forum, especially when i know their will be a whole bunch of people on this site keen to catch and either sell or keep them. I don't actually believe there is a population of GTP's in Sydney. I do believe that there have been sitings of escaped animals during warmer months but thats it. Cornsnakes have been proven to have established populations in the wild and boas have been found in numbers too large to dismiss it to escape animals. | 
12-Apr-08, 09:12 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-06 Location: South Australia | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by wokka I know one zoo has 10 adult imported gtp adults so once the zoo demands are met the progeny should be available on the Aus public market. | Can zoos sell to the public? I thought they could only trade with other zoos.
__________________
Assume puts the A$$ in U and ME
| 
12-Apr-08, 11:04 AM
|  | Regular Member | | | | | You dont find any populations of GTPs producing red babies untill you get to the the central dividing range in New Guinea, from the highlands north you find populations that have both red and yellow babies.
Southern New Guinea, Aru, and Australian populations only have yellow offspring.
On rare occasion poeple will claim to produce a red from captive animals from one of these locations but in these cases the most likely explanation is mixed blood animals in the gene pool.
There was a supposed red Aru produced several years ago. the animal did look different and looked like what one would imagine it to look like if Arus were to have red offspring.
You can never say things are impossible but at this point you would have to say that its extremely unlikley.
Nick |  | | |