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24-Jul-07, 05:13 PM
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hey guys,
was wondering if those red gtp's you see are a different sepcies (ruby tree boa), or if gtp's actually come in red?!? if they do are they for sale anywhere, and are the prices any different? also are they born red, or yellow, or can you tell when the colour will change if they are not born red....
...and FINALLY, knowing they change colour without sheddng, if they are born red, will they stay red?
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24-Jul-07, 05:17 PM
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No they are the same species, they don't stay red, they turn green the same as the yellow ones.
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24-Jul-07, 05:18 PM
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Wow........now im confused 
i'll try and help you out.
If they are red or yellow at birth, they still turn green.
And a Ruby tree Boa (??) is totaly different from a GTP.
Im unsure if i helped you as i didnt really understand the question.
donk
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24-Jul-07, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dragon_tail  hey guys,
was wondering if those red gtp's you see are a different sepcies (ruby tree boa), or if gtp's actually come in red?!? if they do are they for sale anywhere, and are the prices any different? also are they born red, or yellow, or can you tell when the colour will change if they are not born red....
...and FINALLY, knowing they change colour without sheddng, if they are born red, will they stay red? | gtp's do acually come in red there where some on the herp trader some time ago now and they are the same price as the yellow ones and no they dont stay red they end up green aswell.
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24-Jul-07, 05:24 PM
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yes they change colure as they get older, u can also get blue ones that stay blue i think it is jst females but.
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24-Jul-07, 05:28 PM
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they dont stay blue, they turn blue, i'm sure you can gtet blue males aswell
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24-Jul-07, 05:34 PM
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so confussing! ok, SO.....
is there a morpheological time frame? for instance do they start either red or yellow, then go patchy, then go green, THEN go blue? or is it luck of the draw?
also if you do have a red hatchy, how long will it stay red? and will it go patchy like the yellow ones during the change, or will i wake up one morning and it will be green?
LASTLY, does the green change from lighter to darker or vice versa with age?
sorry for all the questions but im fascinated, and interested to know as much as possible before jumping into a huge investment i might regret if im ill informed!
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24-Jul-07, 05:38 PM
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personally i think it's important for you to know all these answers
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24-Jul-07, 05:41 PM
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Hey Dragon Tail,
You should invest in The Complete Chondro - from what i've heard its the second best book out there (only outdone by The More Complete Chondro - by the same author!). I'm ordering the first one on Thursday!
From the reviews ive read, it is quite comprehensive - covers breeding as well. I'm not too sure what the difference between the two books is though; perhaps someone on here has read both?
regards,
Lockie
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24-Jul-07, 05:59 PM
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lockie the difference between the two is more pictures, more info... thus more drool from the reader on the pages, more debt if the book inspires you... and seriously they are a good buy because much of the info applies to morelia species in general...
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24-Jul-07, 06:03 PM
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Check out this US site to see the variation available. These are not all available in Australia, although some of these colours are appearing on the market.
Most of the colourful ones are derived from indonesian GTP bloodlines. http://www.kingsnake.com/salceies/ |
24-Jul-07, 06:27 PM
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all hatchies are red or yellow. Aru, Maruke and Australian GTP only produce yellow hatchies. they all turn green (generally) the majority of the unusual looking animals such as the calicos, genetically blues come from red hatchies, therefor in the states the red ones do generally fetch a higher price. As for blue animals, females can turn hormonally blue which means they go slightly blue during breeding, some animals retain this blue and others lose it during summer, those that retain it after breeding are referred to as hormonally blue; there are ome however that turn from red to blue instead of green, these ones are refered to as genetically blue.
All in all if you get a baby from a clutch that has a red hatchy...... it is not australian (generally the case) although i have heard of a few breeders breeding pure Aru's and only producing yellows.
It wont be long until the red bubs will cost more in australia imo because they hold more potential for new morphs.
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24-Jul-07, 06:33 PM
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Why do the reds hold any more potential for colour morphs than the yellows?
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24-Jul-07, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jason all hatchies are red or yellow. Aru, Maruke and Australian GTP only produce yellow hatchies. they all turn green (generally) the majority of the unusual looking animals such as the calicos, genetically blues come from red hatchies, therefor in the states the red ones do generally fetch a higher price. As for blue animals, females can turn hormonally blue which means they go slightly blue during breeding, some animals retain this blue and others lose it during summer, those that retain it after breeding are referred to as hormonally blue; there are ome however that turn from red to blue instead of green, these ones are refered to as genetically blue.
All in all if you get a baby from a clutch that has a red hatchy...... it is not australian (generally the case) although i have heard of a few breeders breeding pure Aru's and only producing yellows.
It wont be long until the red bubs will cost more in australia imo because they hold more potential for new morphs. | Your on his waiting list to lol!
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24-Jul-07, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by hazzard Your on his waiting list to lol! | i would assume your refering to the Aru's, they look tops and hell yer, when i get the cash they will be the ones for me!! i only like the yellow hatchies that mature to be green with the white dorsal markings, the blue belly is just a bonus!
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