Hybrids, against or for it? Read this!

[caustichumor]

Dog breeds all started with the one species, over hundreds of years they where bred (by humans)to bring out certain traits. People don't want to wait and line breed to get differant looking animals anymore, they want 1 breeding to create a differant looking animal.

[Greebo]

Originally Posted by indicus

Sorry MH; but what a load of Trollop

As a moderator, I do not have an opinion.

If I did...it would be something like that.

[JungleRob]

I personally don't have a problem with it if people were honest as to what they were selling. Do you really think people are going to sell a bright yellow perfectly jungle looking carpet as crossbreed if it's 75% diamond? I don't think many people would admit to it.

Is the Jungle on the cover of Dave Barkers, Pythons of the world Vol.1 'PURE'? How do you know? (I don't know the answer, have heard it's not from reliable sources but would never say for sure)

To the best of my knowledge I know, or can easily find out, the locality of ALL the snakes in my collection bar 1 but I would NEVER sell an animal as a PURE ( .... ) as I cannot prove it.

Whether you like it or not designer pythons are going to take off in Australia. Let's just hope people will be honest about what they're selling.

HAPPY HERPING!!!

[cockney red]

Load of old cods.

[Jonno from ERD]

Originally Posted by The-Guy

so cross breeding dogs isnt like cross breeding pythons, its like cross breeding snakes, and last i checked, elapids and pythons dont breed...

G'day The-Guy,

I'm far from a taxonomical authority, but you're understanding of nomenclature is a little misguided. Animals are classified in the following order -

Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
Sub Order
Family
Genus
Species
Subspecies

The latin names of animals goes "Genus species subspecies"...for example, "Oxyuranus scutellatus canni". Oxyuranus = genus, scutellatus = species, canni = subspecies.

Dogs are all one species (or subspecies to be..well, more specific) - "Canis lupus familiarlis". As I said, crossbreeding dogs is like putting two different coloured Jungles together - same species, they just look different.

[urodacus_au]

What a load of poop. You should probably leave it at that too 'The Guy', your digging that hole deeper and deeper Its not hybridising when theyre the same species, do a little research before attempting to put forward an arguement eh?

Jordan

[DragonKeeper]

Originally Posted by Jonno from ERD

G'day The-Guy,

I'm far from a taxonomical authority, but you're understanding of nomenclature is a little misguided. Animals are classified in the following order -

Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
Sub Order
Family
Genus
Species
Subspecies

The latin names of animals goes "Genus species subspecies"...for example, "Oxyuranus scutellatus canni". Oxyuranus = genus, scutellatus = species, canni = subspecies.

Dogs are all one species (or subspecies to be..well, more specific) - "Canis lupus familiarlis". As I said, crossbreeding dogs is like putting two different coloured Jungles together - same species, they just look different.

I get it, so breeding Varanus Acanthurus with Pogona Vitticeps is Hybrid, but Varanus Tristis and Varanus Acanthurus or Pogona Vitticeps and Pogona Minor Minor is not?

[Jonno from ERD]

No, cross breeding anything that is different at the subspecific level is hybridising.

[JungleRob]

ie. Morelia spilota spilota x Morelia spilota cheynei = hybridising.

[urodacus_au]

Same subspecies, not a hybrid. People go even further than the subspecies level, not liking to cross individuals within the same species from different locales. Thats a different story altogether though....

Jordan

[Jonno from ERD]

What Jordan mentions is the perfect way of maintaining captive animals as pure as possible. Regardless of what taxonomical changes are made, if you breed animals from the same area, they are always going to remain pure to whatever species they are assigned to in the future.

[snakelvr]

I agree with 'ace'. One of my first snakes was a hybrid (or more specifically- a variegated). She was the most beautiful snake you could imagine, in both looks and behaviour. She taught many school children about our lovely pythons and that not all snakes are 'bad'. Many of those kids now have pythons of their own.
I find it quite amusing that some people out there get their nose so crookedly out-of-joint over such a trivial matter.
Treat every snake as an individual, see their merits.
Remember the old adage - 'Nobody's Perfect'.
But i do agree - what a load of codswollop!!

[ozianimals]

So what would you breed an intergrage with? a diamond or a carpet.......or are they a different subspecies due to location.......??????

What about the jack-*** Cross of a horse and a donkey...2 different species bred to create a new species.........why is this possible with some animals but not others??????

[Australis]

Originally Posted by ozianimals

So what would you breed an intergrage with? a diamond or a carpet.......or are they a different subspecies due to location.......??????

Well, how about another "intergrade", so crazy it just might work eh...

[Sdaji]

If you hybridise snakes they turn into martians who will steal your car, so it's bad.

I win, right? We're all having a competition to see who can produce the most ridiculous post, right?