'in The Wild'

[OzRocks]

What i hear alot of is ...."why would i pay that much money when i can just go into my backyard and get the same thing?!!!"
I dont think some people realise that taking wild animals is considered poaching and pretty much illegal!!

[Dabool]

i have seen alot of wild snakes and not one has been parasite free add to that most of the bigger older wild snakes have all had extensive scaring from having to deal with large prey and defend themselves from becoming prey most captive snakes i have seen are in much better condition than the best wild specimens so i recon the " in the wild" term should be left to people that dont know what they are talking about. or we could have a cage large enough to house dingos and hawks with our snakes oh and have a car drive through your enclosure every half hour too.

[Pythons Rule]

Originally Posted by Mystery

It is really hard to "shut your mouth" sometimes. It is the same as the pet rat and the wild rat. It's like comparing a dog to a dingo. But, customer always knows best. lol

yet they always ask for help I think some people pick surtain stores to abuse for the fun of it, and all you can really do is tell them there wrong and why there wrong. some people can be real ignorant if they won't too... Why do they have a snake or lizard if they class them as wild animals and I bet they pick it up all they time and show off with it too.... new people need serious training.

cheers Jody

[zulu]

Originally Posted by waruikazi

you would be suprised at how well a snake insulates its body, you will very rarely find a snake with a body temp below 12 degrees... Not reccomending it though.

Dont know about the tropics where you live waruikazi,but the snakes down south get pretty cold even in april and may at night and colder in june july.Ive found hatcling diamonds that have dropped out of pieces of old carpet and dumped debris in april and may that i thought was dead because they are nilly frozen.Adult diamonds are above ground in winter and get extremely cold and mostly underground when its hot in summer on clear days.

[hazzard]

Originally Posted by Ramsayi

A lot of hobbyists have the same logic.
eg:The snake I keep comes from an area that gets down to 6C in winter therefore I will replicate that in the enclosure.What they fail to take into account is that during the times of extreme temps the snake will most likely be holed up somewhere (insert underground) where the temps are a lot more stable and a hell of a lot warmer.Also they would most likely be in that same place when the outside temps are stinking hot.

Not to mention that there is also a high rate of mortality in the wild, should we replicate that as well!

[zulu]

Originally Posted by Ramsayi

A lot of hobbyists have the same logic.
eg:The snake I keep comes from an area that gets down to 6C in winter therefore I will replicate that in the enclosure.What they fail to take into account is that during the times of extreme temps the snake will most likely be holed up somewhere (insert underground) where the temps are a lot more stable and a hell of a lot warmer.Also they would most likely be in that same place when the outside temps are stinking hot.

Thats very true what Ramsayi says,eg,i live in sydney and we get diamonds local and they get cold in winter and hot in summer so ile put them outside in an aviary" well they mostly go alright in winter and fry in the summer when they cant go underground once they reach max temp.

[Clairebear]

By the way people, i only used the word 'domesticated' in my first post due to the lack of a better word for it (that's why i used the quotation marks - maybe simply captive is a better word... ). I guess while this hobby is relatively new (compared to dogs and stuff) there'll be never-ending debates on how to class what we keep... as i said until my water python sits, begs and poos in a litter tray when i tell it to, then i'll just call him Xander. Ahhh, that's easier!

[TrueBlue]

i agree ramsayi, thats why i use 20 odd layers of paper in my enclosures, (50 odd when they are gravid), as its really good insulation, and going under heaps of layers of paper is much like going under ground to the snakes and enables them to hold desired body temps for much longer.