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17-Aug-04, 10:47 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Feb-04 Location: North West WA | | | | We feed our Bhp's day old chicks to vary their diet from rats. Most of them eat them with no fuss but a few won't touch them. We were warned that it can give them the runs but we haven't had any problems with this. Eddy, you could always ask what antibiotics are used and have a chat to a herp vet to find out if they will have any adverse effects on your snakes. |
17-Aug-04, 10:47 AM
|  | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | Day old chickens are supposed to be too high in a certain vitamin aren't they? Vitamin A? As others have said, I don't think they use steroids and the runts probably haven't had any antibiotics yet anyway. I wouldn't worry too much about the 'medications', as these chickens are grown for human consumption (yes, I know that isn't saying much, but jokes aside it can't be all that toxic.) |
17-Aug-04, 11:04 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Feb-04 Location: Sydney | | | | This is just what I have been told so dont take it as gospel.
If you freeze the chicken for 6 weeks it will kill off thr antibiotics that are used.
Is this true?
The day olds that we used to get would give your python the squits if fed fresh but not if they were frozen.
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17-Aug-04, 11:20 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Sep-03 Location: In the ironically named sunshine coast, surrounded by nerds and nurses | | | | I've only fed thawed DOC a few times to my pythons and they never did the **** through a needle trick. |
17-Aug-04, 11:37 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Feb-04 Location: North West WA | | | | I think you have a good point there- we freeze our DOC so that may be why we don't have a problem with them. |
17-Aug-04, 12:38 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Melbourne | | | | I know a guy who feeds his snakes chicken drumstix bought from a supermarket. He breaks off a mouse leg off a frozen mouse and attaches it to the drumstick. After a while the snake just eats the drumsticks alone.
Cheers Stevo
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17-Aug-04, 01:48 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | Quote:
I know a guy who feeds his snakes chicken drumstix bought from a supermarket. He breaks off a mouse leg off a frozen mouse and attaches it to the drumstick. After a while the snake just eats the drumsticks alone.
Cheers Stevo
| I have snakes that would love the drumsticks but won't touch mice 
Actually, the antibiotics used to kill off all the bugs and reduce pressure on the chickens' immune systems thus redirecting the energy to growth might actually make your snakes grow faster, if they are still intact when your snake ingests them.
As for freezing denaturing antibiotics, it would depend on the type, but I'd imagine most would be relatively unaffected.
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17-Aug-04, 05:15 PM
|  | primitively archaic Moderator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 Gender:  | | | | I have been feeding chicken necks to some of my pythons lately. Some will accept them no problems while others are not interested. I still feed them rats of course but at a dollar a dozen, chicken necks make a cheap additional food source.
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17-Aug-04, 05:21 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | I tried feeding strips of beef for a while, but figured that the price of rats was less than piece of mind was worth.
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17-Aug-04, 08:43 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jul-04 Location: Coleambally NSW | | | | G'day Eddy
I don't want to sound like I know it all but I bred chooks for a living ( for a big company ). As has been said, most are fit for human consumtion which is good. The amount of antibiotics in a DOC won't be a lot and it is only to keep it healthy and desease free. They are not given steriods for any reason as it has no advantages for sale's to us, You like tender chicken don't you. Beside's we have to abide by all the laws that are thrown at us. As Fuscus said Their growth has a lot to their condition of living, Their temp,humidity,light,feed ,water and health are all in a controlled enviroment. But as for your ? if you Know the back ground of the flock ( as there can be problems with some diseases at times ) I would not have any problems feeding a DOC to my python. |
17-Aug-04, 10:43 PM
|  | Has Happy Herps.... Sponsor | Join Date: Aug-03 Location: SYDNEY | | | | As for the squirts with your pythons, I have not had this problem (yet) and hope not to. I feed some of my snakes these on occasion to give them variety, but only feed defrosted ones and not fresh killed. Maybe this is the difference.
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18-Aug-04, 02:00 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: victoria | | | | everyone has been EXTREMELY helpful and I thank you all . I could be opening pandoras box here but you lot seem to know what your are on about. So can anyone explain why sometimes they have 4 legs or wings ? |
18-Aug-04, 11:10 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-03 Location: sydney Age/Gender: 29 | | | | LOL they dont have 4 legs or wings, they just package them with extra legs or wings from other chickens they slaughter that are used for different reasons.. not all chickens are sold as whole birds, some are cut up into breast and thigh and other peices, this makes the legs and wings left over, so sometimes they package these extra legs with a whole bird as a value pack.
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18-Aug-04, 02:28 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Cairns | | | I have been told (note: not personal experience here) that fully feathered chooks give pythons the runs, but those not full grown tend not to. Antibiotics would usually give them the runs a feed or two after the chicken if they were causing the problem.
I've not fed them to any of my snakes, except for using a bit of fluff to get baby water pythons eating rodents.
This site gives a bit of a breakdown on nutrition of chooks and rodents. http://www.rodentpro.com/qpage_articles_03.asp
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18-Aug-04, 05:50 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Sydney | | | | I raised 4 olive pythons to adulthood exclusively on chickens.
I would purchase day old meat chickens and raise them up for about 4-5 weeks.At this age they are about the size of a small rabbit. The snakes loved them and certainly grew like weeds. If rats are a bit scarce I still raise up chickens as an alternate food source for all of my pythons and certainly haven't come across any problems.
I do also feed day old chicks to my snakes as well but always remove the yolk sac before feeding. | | |
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