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12-Jul-07, 10:39 AM
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Was looking for water python videos on YouTube and came accross this... Now, after watchng it, ignore the fact it's fairly funny and the guys are fairly dumb... WHY do these water pythons attack so readily and so vigorously? At the end, the second water python kept on going for it... Why is this? And it looked almost like a feeding response. The moment the hand was in the cage ... it zoomed over and grabbed it. Why? Any ideas?
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12-Jul-07, 10:56 AM
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Could it have been because his hand was covered in blood?
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12-Jul-07, 10:59 AM
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Yeah if i was a hungry snake and someone put a bloodied food item into my enclosure and moved it around (like they get fed too i bet) i'd want a piece of it... and i'd be equally pissed off when it was taken away from me. I was rooting for the water python to win and devour his hand. Pity he didn't put his hand in a big Scrubby enclosure instead.
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12-Jul-07, 11:05 AM
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I bet these snakes are used to rats being tossed in when the door opens. These responses are both feeding responses, as shown by the grab and wrap each snakes does. Of course, that the idiot being bitten dances his hand in front doesn't help. Yummy, warm and wriggly, must be food!
The second one keeps going for it simply because the hand smells like dinner, feels warm like dinner, bleeds like dinner and got away. The snake wants dinner back.
There is nothing surprising there and you will find a lot of snakes do this, not just water pythons. I could encourage my calmest snake to do this too, if I were idiot enough like them.
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12-Jul-07, 11:07 AM
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Those snakes are actually not nasty, those were not defensive bites at all, they were feeding bites. Some Water Pythons certainly can be bad to interact with, but those ones are actually snakes which could become lovely to handle. The snakes clearly haven't learned to understand that humans aren't non-food-mammals, and from the attitude of the keeper and his friends, it's hardly surprising. Without a doubt those snakes are kept with a hands off style, and never get handled, except when being tormented for the amusement of the keeper and his friends. Any snakes kept like this will try to eat people if they're hungry (this isn't a bad thing as long as you don't deliberately get bitten for amusement). A friend of mine has a collection of the snappiest snakes you've ever seen - he has Diamonds, bredli, Black-headeds, Womas, Stimson's, Children's, Macs and others, and virtually every one of them behaves exactly like the Water Pythons in the video, because of his style of handling, cleaning and feeding. I think he does a great job of looking after his snakes, he just doesn't want to handle them and they associate him with food, but not with non-food related interaction, when feeding and cleaning he always has his hands just out of strike range, and pulls away when the snake looks in the direction of his hands - he isn't scared of them at all, but just happens to have a husbandry style which mimics that of a frightened person. I have some snakes from the same lines he keeps, every one of them is as docile as pythons can get. If you treat pythons like this it is normal for them to try to eat every mammal that gets within range, which is why a lot of people who are scared of snakes have the snappiest pythons. One of the reasons that Water Pythons have the repuation for being nasty is that people are squeamish about getting too close to them, which results in them learning to do what all snakes do when you treat them like you're scared of them.
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12-Jul-07, 11:10 AM
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12-Jul-07, 11:10 AM
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Will feeding in an enclosure make snakes react like this?
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12-Jul-07, 11:17 AM
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Kelly, no, and yes. If you are the type of person that Sdaji mentions above, then clearly so. But you can interact with a snake and feed it in it's enclosure, if you have a different style of keeping.
All of my snakes are 'docile', bar a couple of babies that are getting there. I feed them all in their enclosures, but I also do a lot of non feeding hands on work.
When I open a cage, I am always mindful that the snake may confuse this non feeding session with a feeding session and I 'read' the snakes behaviour accordingly.
I let the snake take the time to sniff and look, before reaching in, so they are aware this isn't a rat drop and lock time.
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12-Jul-07, 11:20 AM
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Ah okay, sounds like I have the same style of keeping as you then.
I feed my stimson in his enclosure because I bought him at 11 months old, placid as anything and the previous owner said he's always been fed in his enclosure.
I got my carpet and the breeder recommended I fed her outside of her enclosure, so I've been doing that but really - I don't think it makes a difference.
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12-Jul-07, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by kelly  Will feeding in an enclosure make snakes react like this? |
ive never had any problems feeding in my enclousers...my coastals all seem to know the differnece between my hand and a rat....my spotteds i take out only because i keep them in pairs so i dont feed them together...just easier to take them out.
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12-Jul-07, 11:35 AM
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I feed all of my snakes in their enclosures, and with the exception of a couple of babies and one evil bredli, they're all very good handlers. Incidentally, other than shoving them across the enclosure or briefly holding them for cleaning, most of them get handled about once per year, just for photographs etc.
The 'evil bredli' is probably only snappy because I hate it so much and never go near it, so I'm mimicking a frightened person's handling technique - I think it's no coincidence that my only snappy snake is the one I absolutely hate (I don't hate it because it is snappy, it became snappy after I started hating it). For a few months it has been looked after by someone who actually likes it and apparently she is calming down. As with those Water Pythons, she isn't 'nasty snappy', she is 'feed bite snappy' - there is a big difference and it reflects greatly on the husbandry style.
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12-Jul-07, 11:50 AM
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Why do u hate the bredli if u dont mind me asking.
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12-Jul-07, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by grimbeny Why do u hate the bredli if u dont mind me asking. | Just a personal thing. I don't like Carpets. Pretty looking snakes, but so dull and boring in character, they just don't appeal to me.
Flame away if you like *shrug*
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12-Jul-07, 12:50 PM
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Be that as it may, back to the point, I realised it's a feeding response, but why would the first snake just randomly go for a guy's hand? Is it cause of the fact that it only ever has food inside the cage? Still good to see some big tagging action hahaha
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12-Jul-07, 12:56 PM
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That vid has really pissed me off. Who the hell would be that irresponsible to let there snakes bite someone and who would be stupid enough to do it.
And the 2nd one wasn't a water pythons it was an olive.
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