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21-Mar-05, 11:13 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Perth | | | I dont care who has what theory...i just think they r a very nice lookin snake... 
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22-Mar-05, 12:04 AM
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Bob, alot of people find your condescending way of putting your theories forward insulting, extremely insulting. The way you talk about people who dont agree, yes the "experts", likeyou are the only one who knows anything. And the way you say you are trying to steer people in the right direction, you are trying to steer them in your direction
| Have to agree with you there mate,not evryone has to agree with you and follow in your footsteps,it's made clear again by the quote below by bigguy. Quote: |
So this is the last I will comment on these animals and will now leave to the " experts" on this site to debate.
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The very last post was by Browns who reckons I am full of it. He is entilled to his own opinion just like everyone on this site, but there is no need to become insulting when you don't get your own way in a debate.
| Still reckon the same too....everyone is entitled to their own opinion and i had one on a specific part of the intergrade discussion being that bigguy stated the Northern most range of intergrades was Coffs and only 20 k's away they stop being intergrades and become pure coastals, but then said yes they will still interbreed which as i've said before is still an intergrade in my booksand who says that in another 100 or so years the Northern range of intergrades will be extended further north.
As i asked before can anyone else see where i'm coming from?I'm not saying you're full of it Bob because i'm not gwtting my own way in the discussion as i still think it is a very plausable theory,i did say you were full of it though because you contradicted yourself!!! i pointed that out in the thread so please noone ask me where he did,just go back and read the thread and you'll see where.
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22-Mar-05, 12:34 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-03 Location: Oz - Whoop Whoop | | | | Look what we found!
He's an intergrade?
He was rescued from the wild after an accident and had been kept for three years.
He was a lovely natured snake. |
22-Mar-05, 01:13 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | bigguy wrote= Quote: |
You can't make an intergrade. Only nature can. Remember they are not a mixture of two species which everyone seems to miss. They are the missing links as one species turned into another due to an outside influrance of some sort. Aint nature wonderfull the way it works.
| Can't find the comment,must be in another intergrade thread but bigguy also said an intergrade is naturally occuring in the wild and hybrids are man made which i totally agree with. Although Bigguy also wrote.... Quote: |
I have no doubt that on the extreme borders of the changeover zone that intergrades may hybridize with pures, afterall there is no wall seperating them.
| What i'm trying to point out is why is it called hybridising if it occurs naturally in the wild.
Here's one for ya...this is a wild caught woma cross bhp which occured naturally....what would it be classified as? hybrid or intergrade? 
Myself i would call it an intergrade as it occured naturally and bhps and womas live side by side in many places and as far as i know the womax bhp is the only one ever found so far but that's not to say there's not more out there!!!
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22-Mar-05, 05:49 AM
|  | primitively archaic Moderator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 Gender:  | | | | Nah, that one is easy. The woma X Bhp is a hybrid even though it is naturally occurring.
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22-Mar-05, 08:06 AM
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22-Mar-05, 08:16 AM
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Nah, that one is easy. The woma X Bhp is a hybrid even though it is naturally occurring.
| Yep, I'd say that too.
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22-Mar-05, 09:18 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: Brisbane | | | | Yeah Browns thats the part i had trouble with, i lived in northern NSW for 10 years and know they change slowly to carpets, at red rock just north of coffs the intergrades are say 97% carpet genes, they are carpet patterns but on alot you can still see some dots in the scales like diamonds and intergrade, so exactly how much carpet does an intergrade have to have in it to stop being an intergrade and start being a carpet, this is my only disagrement with bobs arguement, he says they change slowly into carpets but then says intergrades dont often breed with pures, but what about the ones that are 99% carpet, they are they only one that come into contact with pure carpets, if there is such a thing as pure carpets |
22-Mar-05, 09:24 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Brisbane | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by earthmother Look what we found!
He's an intergrade?
He was rescued from the wild after an accident and had been kept for three years.
He was a lovely natured snake. |
No I would say its a Diamond Python Morelia spilota spilota.. |
22-Mar-05, 09:27 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Brisbane | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by BROWNS
Here's one for ya...this is a wild caught woma cross bhp which occured naturally....what would it be classified as? hybrid or intergrade?
! | sorry but how would you know its hybrid between a woma and a black head.....without seeing both parants....may have a bit of black on top of the head but that not neff to say that?....just an unusual woma |
22-Mar-05, 09:42 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Nov-03 Location: Melbourne, Australia Gender: | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Bouncer Greebo, my head is not unblowupable, heehee | Hehehehe This a spinout  Mines gonna pop!
That snake is really odd Browns If we used that snake as a basic example, could it be said that this snake starts as a natural hybrid initially, which then forms the basis of a intergrade? Something that separates the two genus of Aspidites?
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22-Mar-05, 09:43 AM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: Brisbane | | | | Earthmother, where was he rescued from? |
22-Mar-05, 10:26 AM
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As i asked before can anyone else see where i'm coming from?
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22-Mar-05, 10:30 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-03 Location: Oz - Whoop Whoop | | | | It was found near home, the Mid North Coast.
He was adorable, we called him George, then passed him on to someone who could care for him.
It's not an intergrade? gosh, wrong again. |
22-Mar-05, 11:08 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-04 Location: North Carlton, VIC, Australia | | | | Pike01, what i find condescending and down right offensive is you singling out 1 person who has obviously repeated himself to death and still people refuse to acknowledge his point of view, and trying to make others turn against him, i think you need to take a good long look at yourself and the way you speak to othetrs befotre you can take the high and mighty stance here. If you have a problem with bob, at least have the balls to pm him, and not drag your personal views out in public.
Yes i know this comes across as being hypocritical as i seem to be doing the same thing... but im just going to be childish and say... he started it...
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