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06-Apr-04, 09:24 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: North Brisbane Metro | | | Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ricko are they agresive snakes jungle? | Ricko ,
i have seen lukes jungles and the ones he was handling looked fine to me they did not strike
but he really seems to know and care for his snakes exceptionally well
good work luke | 
06-Apr-04, 09:39 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | aberrent is an inherited pattern...if the pattern is inherited it should show up in 50% of the first generation...
a few of my jungles are extremely placid but most are pretty narcy.....
that pair should produce some nice offspring jp....
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06-Apr-04, 09:46 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Melbourne O>I>G>L Souly! | | | Hey J. Inc. I reckon it's about time some of those hatchies were Melbourne bound  | 
07-Apr-04, 10:26 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-03 Location: melbourne | | | | ill second that | 
07-Apr-04, 11:54 AM
| | | | Great looking animals guys.
These animals are all great representations of the success people are having reproducing jungle lines of the original breeders who put in all the hard work producing the characteristics we all desire and associate with Jungles.
In America, owners of Jungles always pay respect by identifying their animals linage back to the original breeder when complimented on a great looking animal. Back here in Oz, I feel that people too often take the credit for their animals as if everything about that animal was a sole selective breeding process on their behalf, when more often than not their sole contribution was to hand over the money.
Full marks for great animal husbandry and the passion you have for your animals but in my opinion financial ownership does not always eliminate ethical ownership.
Regards Rina | 
07-Apr-04, 09:50 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Melbourne O>I>G>L Souly! | | | Ya pays ya money, Ya gets ya Jungle  | 
07-Apr-04, 11:56 PM
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08-Apr-04, 09:55 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Nov-03 Location: Townsville Age: 36 | | | | unfortunately it is difficult to start a new line.but i know exactly what you are saying rina people in oz who post pics and crow about there animals usually have got them for the first time,or haven't had them long and have never actually bred jungles.or just bred them.ANYONE can pay money and get a nice jungle and then show everyone.how about when posting pics say this is my stone,berridge or krauss female like they do in the states then people that know jungles can appreciate the animal and the person who created it not so much the person who gave the money.
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08-Apr-04, 05:59 PM
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appreciate the animal and the person who created it not so much the person who gave the
| Wouldnt we call him god?
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08-Apr-04, 05:59 PM
| | | | I agree with the animal being yours once the money has been handed over but what I have a problem with is the attitude of some in dealing with the ole ego.
Like I tried to say, if you can breed a jungle that shows some particular trait that is different, then congrats to you because you have done something original and can loudly proclaim the fact. If however you favour a line of jungles for particular characteristics that breeders like stone, berridge or krauss have produced, than the beauty of the particular animal is credit to these people, not yourself.
Credit given where credit is due.!
Regards Rina | 
08-Apr-04, 06:22 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Brisbane | | | | Well O.K.
The adult pair that I am hoping to breed this year were bred by Aland.
I dont know the linage of the parents.
The younger pair were also from Aland, but this pair had one parent from his lines and the other parent was from Krauss's
original girl.
As for the idea that there is no skill in handing over money to someone for a snake I must say that I feel this is almost totally right.
Except for the fact that some people are better at picking nice animals than others. I think this is as much an experience thing as it is
about having an eye for detail.
I started this thread in the hope that I would get to see some great jungles held by others. When mine breed I hope to swap or purchase new bloodlines.
I did not start this thread to brag.
Anyway if you have jungles please post some pics.
Cheers
Luke | 
08-Apr-04, 06:27 PM
| | | | I am definately not accusing you of bragging Luke and you certainly have some stunning animals. I agree with you whole heartedly in that some people definately have a great knack for picking animals which have the potential to throw some great babies if breeding is what you are looking to. It all comes with a willingness to learn and experience.
Best of luck in your ventures.
Rina | 
08-Apr-04, 10:15 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Melbourne O>I>G>L Souly! | | | | I hope my flippant comment was not taken as being in disagreement with the fact that it takes years of dedication to produce your own clean line of any animal. I merely meant, "you pays ya money, you gets ya jungle" | 
09-Apr-04, 12:17 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | 15mth old male Stone jungle.......
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09-Apr-04, 08:05 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Brisbane | | | | Very nice and clean. I Like.
Thanks for the pic.
Cheers
Luke |  | | |