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15-Nov-06, 10:18 PM
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i have seen many a python housed 2gether and to some degree they do seem to be sociable etc etc
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15-Nov-06, 10:26 PM
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Sharing a hide doesnt indicate social behaviour.
How do you mean Paranoia? Im only sharing a opinion :S
If your housing more than one animal per enclosure your ability to contain a out break of any kind is reduced, i dont think thats being paranoid, just realistic.
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15-Nov-06, 10:52 PM
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If you find opmv and such in your collection, you will find it has travelled to all of your collection. Mites etc will travel and infect your whole collection as well no matter how clean you are. Realistically no matter how clean you are most of the common diseases can travel on there own. If I let one coastal loose at one end of my loungeroom and let the other loose at th oppistie they will soon find each other and travel around together. They do socialise and if you haven't seen pythons interacting with each other out of season then you won't understand.
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15-Nov-06, 11:03 PM
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Mayo,
i dont have mites, i used F10 on all husbandry equipment and water bowls etc.. and my hands between animals.
I think mites would be a vector for things such as OPMV, but i dont think its proven yet...
If something like OPMV was to enter my collection, the precautions ive taken would act to limit it spreading to all animals.
Your wrong to say that finding OPMV in your collection means it will have spread to your whole collection, if you take precautions you can prevent that from being the case.
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15-Nov-06, 11:16 PM
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But aren't we talking about housing more than one snake together?
If the enclosures big enough logic tells me (someone who doesnt even have a snake yet) that it would be ok..but the practical side of me says why should you house them together when in the wild they wouldnt stay near each other....
(but dont listen to me cause Im too inexperienced)
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15-Nov-06, 11:22 PM
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I'm not accusing you of having mites, what I'm saying is that to my knowledge those collections that have been found to have OPMV it had spread throughout the collections and the vector of travel for OPMV has yet to be identified. I keep a few pythons together, and if I found OPMV the real question would be how did it get there in the first place. Most collectors don't even no they have OPMV until it is to late, by the time the first python is showing signs it has already made the disease airborne so unless the enclosures are air tight, with M3 class filters it's not going to help.
I believe that pythons are sociable animals and I can see it because I keep pythons together and see it every day. Am yet to see proof that they aren't, against some of mine that live together happily.
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But if your serious about the health of your animals, i one enclosure per animals, is the only option.
I am very serious about the health and well being of my pythons, but I'm realistic as well. There is no problem keeping pythons together as long as it is done properly.
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16-Nov-06, 07:28 AM
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I have Bredli, Darwins and Womas together and don't have a problem with them. Like I said the only real issue is feeding with more than 2 in a cage. As I can see it that is the only real disadvantage. More often than not the 2 snakes will be coiled up together which demonstrates at least a minimal degree of social interaction.
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16-Nov-06, 03:44 PM
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Im with boa here... Feeding would be a problem, but it can easily be solved by feeding the animals in seperate tanks. And reintroducing them back into their main tanks after a few hours or a day or two. I too have a few animals housed as pairs, with no problems.
Depending on what locale of jungles you have, A adult pair of tullys for example dont really reach over 4-5ft, could comfortably be housed in a 4x2x2 enclosure. Just make sure that hides are big enough for both pythons to enter.
I have seen many keepers house more than 1 python together, the most important thing imo is that the animals are the same size.
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16-Nov-06, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mayo  I'm not accusing you of having mites, what I'm saying is that to my knowledge those collections that have been found to have OPMV it had spread throughout the collections and the vector of travel for OPMV has yet to be identified. I keep a few pythons together, and if I found OPMV the real question would be how did it get there in the first place. Most collectors don't even no they have OPMV until it is to late, by the time the first python is showing signs it has already made the disease airborne so unless the enclosures are air tight, with M3 class filters it's not going to help. | Where is the evidence it is airborne?
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16-Nov-06, 06:11 PM
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im with australis on this one and perfer to keep things seperate. In the wild all studies done on most pythons seems to confirm that they are not very social at all and will only seek each other out to mate with or feed on.
Why most snakes that are housed together seem more social is that they have little choice in the matter, they are stuck in the same enclosure with no where else to go.
Let them go in some near by bushland and ill bet they are both gone, probally in different directions and may never come in contact with each other again.
Hygine reasons as well, if one snake gets sick chances are the others will too.
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16-Nov-06, 06:42 PM
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dont think there is to much of a prob keeping them together although i would prefer not to! as for pythons showing social activity together, well maybe to some degrre but the snakes are always thermoregulating so chances are they are staying close to reduce heat loss and if the enclosure is cool then both will seek out a warmer spot and if the reverse was to happen they would both seek out a cooler spot, if housing snakes together these locations that they seek are limited and the snakes will most likely need to saty together because they are both chasing the same conditions (jmo).
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16-Nov-06, 06:50 PM
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I agree with you Jason, as I said any possible social interaction is minimal at best. I think it is fair to say that they don't necessarily enjoy each others company :-)
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16-Nov-06, 07:00 PM
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In regards to sharing a hide being a social event mentioned earlier, i would think its just a nice tight place to hide, nothing more.
Im sure many people are keeping more than one animal together year round with no problems.
But that doesnt make it the best option
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16-Nov-06, 07:55 PM
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i have two jungles together and they get along fine there is two hides in the tank but they like to be in the same one. They are of different size and sex and at this stage i have no concern of seperating them.
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16-Nov-06, 08:08 PM
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Just an observation guys, but Gosford Reptile Park had two rough scale pythons housed together in a display and both these animals were together despite the enclosure being quite large with plenty of basking spots , etc. Would have thought if there were any problems then two such valuable animals would not be housed together? Having said that I keep mine in separate enclosures (always have).
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