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View Poll Results: Would you consider still seeing this vet after the venomoid revelation? | |
Yes, they're a good vet - keep going back
|     | 43 | 61.43% | |
No, eventhough they're a good vet you shouldn't go on principle
|    | 16 | 22.86% | |
I can't make up my mind!
|    | 11 | 15.71% |
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27-Feb-07, 07:37 PM
|  | Rough-Scale Addict Subscriber | Join Date: Oct-05 Location: Queensland | | | Moral Dilemma - Venomoids + Poll
Hello Everyone,
Took an animal back down for a post-op check at my local vets today. I won't mention the name of the vet however after visiting said vet today, I'm faced with a moral dilemma of gigantic proportions. I trust this vet with my animals implicitly and have no complaints about said vet's work to date. However it was revealed in a conversation with me today that said vet has been approached by a reptile exhibitor here in Qld (again I won't mention names) to do venom gland removal surgery on animals that are part of their vens handling courses. I have a big problem with voids and find this such a big dilemma as I really respect this vet.. Anyone have any ideas or comments?
Cheers,
Andrew |
27-Feb-07, 07:44 PM
|  | Mrs Greebo (almost) Subscriber | Join Date: Sep-06 Location: Wagga Wagga, NSW Age/Gender: 31  | | | Hey Chanty, good vets are hard to find! If you feel so strongly about it that you're willing to subject your animals to another (and probably less experienced) vet, then that's your choice to make. This is a very touchy subject which alot of people have very strong feelings about. What you've really gotta consider is your animals. If you're happy with the work he does for them, I don't think you should sack him, but its up to you.
Hope this helps 
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27-Feb-07, 07:44 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Toowoomba-ish | | | | The operation is not as bad as people make it out to be.
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27-Feb-07, 07:55 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jun-05 Location: Hamilton island, QLD Age/Gender: 28  | | | | Firstly, is the vet going to perform the proceedure?
Secondly, WHAT THE HELL is the point of running VEN courses if the snakes are not venomous........just use pythons buddy!!!
I remember my first ven course (10 yrs ago) it was the best feeling ever, knowing you just tailed and bagged HOTS.
Good herp vets are hard to come by, so i would not leave him ...but i would let him know how you feel Chanty.
Donk
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27-Feb-07, 07:58 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: brisbane Queensland Gender: | | | | Have you asked the vet ? vets have to be professional so maybe they were just listening to it?
I would hat to give up a good vet, however if they are for it they are not on the same level as you so they may have other issues you don't agree on in this case I wouldn't go back.
I would ask them... if they say hell no then its fine .. if they get agro tell them your sorry but you dont agree to that and youll never have to see them again... now harm in asking but guessing could loose you a vet. |
27-Feb-07, 07:59 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Sep-06 Location: Newcastle Gender: | | | | get over the whole venomoid thing
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27-Feb-07, 08:00 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Toowoomba-ish | | | | I see a Hoser debate warming up
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27-Feb-07, 08:01 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-04 Location: Sydney Gender: | | | | Just casually inquire if he is or is not going to use anaethetic, thats the only real problem i have with the procedure.
Either way its hard to find a good vet.......this is you and your animals......dont ask anyone else...in the end its you and your animals.
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27-Feb-07, 08:04 PM
| | Rough-Scale Addict Subscriber | Join Date: Oct-05 Location: Queensland | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Oskorei  get over the whole venomoid thing | Why? I have a serious problem with it... What a stupid comment.
As for everyone saying 'he' - what makes you assume it's a 'he' ?? :-)
Bry I know it's my animals but I'm just asking for general opinions - i know it's my decision ultimately..
The vet in question has been asked to do the surgery and has agreed...
In a way the problem I have with it is that it seems as though a non-necessary operation is being done
on the animals so that these reptile exhibitors don't have to fork out as much for insurance... |
27-Feb-07, 08:08 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Toowoomba-ish | | | | Bryony it was allways done with anaethetic.
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27-Feb-07, 08:08 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Nov-05 Location: QLD | | | | sounds to me like there is another incompetent ven handler out there, shouldnt be keeping, handling or doing courses if he cant safely handle a hot herp. simple as that imo. |
27-Feb-07, 08:13 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Apr-04 Location: Sydney Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayo Bryony it was allways done with anaethetic. | Whoopsy.....bad/wrong/misinformation.....i try not to pay attention to it all.
I will probley be made illegal anyway....just like de-clawing.
In the end.....its about the vet and your animals...
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27-Feb-07, 08:13 PM
| | | | Can’t see an issue if its done humanly by a vet, we have lots of other things done to all sorts of animals by vets, eg castrations, de-sexing of bitches, I think it’s a great idea for people to practice on elapids with gland’s removed, just don’t tell them, least it in their minds that its still a hottie. Let’s not drift away from why the big fuse is about, is it really that the procedure can be done or the way this person did it? Would you still have the issue of it being done if it was done legally? |
27-Feb-07, 08:14 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Aug-06 Location: Toowoomba-ish | | | | A small point people are also over looking "approached by a reptile exhibitor here in Qld ". It may just be for more than a reptile course, it may also be for exhibitions.
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27-Feb-07, 08:15 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-05 Location: Sunshine Coast, QLD | | | | There are three main issues to help you decide Chanty
1. This vet is willing to carry out a procedure, which whilst not officially legal, is frowned upon ethically. I have worked for and left jobs where my associate has acted unethically - its a personal choice. The only true motivation for these types is money, not quality of care.
2. If this vet is carrying out venomoid surgeries then they won't be around for much longer - venomoids are a legal nightmare and sooner or later someone is going to get bitten by an animal with venom residuals and its the vets **** on the line. Maybe a back up vet isn't a bad idea.
3. A vet willing to carry out the surgery is obviously out of touch with the general reptile vet community - Is this individual also out of date with other components of reptile medicine. | | |
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