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05-Aug-04, 03:50 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Newcastle, NSW Age: 28 | | | Multiple Sheds ... Again!!
Hey,
To give some background, a few weeks ago now I noticed that my female coastal had raised scales, she also shed twice in the space of a week or so, after posting here I came to the conclusion that she had mites, I wasn't sure where she got them but I had had her outside on the grass so I assumed that is where they came from.
Anyway, I have done the second follow up treatment of Top of Descent yesterday and thought that I was on top of it, the worst affected snake, my female coastal is eating again and looks to be on the mend.
On the 26/6 I bought a blonde spotted python, she immediately started eating and handling like a champion, 3 and a half weeks after I got her, on the 20/7 she shed. She continued to eat like a champion and almost another 3 weeks later on the 3/8 she shed again, no dramas, I was happy and she was happy. Now 2 days later she has every sign of shedding again, her eyes are cloudy, the covering over her eyes is slightly crinkled and you can see new scales inside the old ones, I am 100% sure she is going to shed.
Now when my female coastal done this, along with other things, I was convinced that she had mites, even my other 2 snakes started to get raised scales making me even more sure.
All her last sheds were perfect, completely removed with nothing left on her but a fresh new set of scales, and now she is doing what my female coastal started doing. Is there other problems that can cause raised scales and multiple sheds? I was thinking that maybe she doesn't like the T.O.D, but she never shed after the first treatment, she did shed soon after the second so I am not sure if this could be the problem. 
Any help guys and gals?
Cheers.
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05-Aug-04, 04:01 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-03 Location: Gosford | | | | I wouldn't worry too much at this stage. The Blond mac may be just having a very big growth spurt. There is no way that mites will trigger a double shed that quickly. If they have major scale injuries, then snakes may shed every couple of weeks to add in recovery. As you stated it is eating like a champion, so lets hope its just growing fast.
Wait till it sheds and see if it starts eating well again. If it does, don't worry about it. |
05-Aug-04, 04:03 PM
|  | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | Usual causes of rapid shedding are rapid growth and skin damage/injury (including mite damage). There are other unusual causes, but they're the main ones. If you have a good digital camera, take a photo in high resolution and post it. If your eyes are good you should be able to see mites on the snake if they're there.
When you say the covering over her eyes is slightly crinkled, exactly what do you mean? I've only seen this on blonde maccies and in the end I euthanased them. I'd very much like to know about this as I've never heard it from anyone else, despite a lot of asking around. Would you mind telling me who you bought the maccy from? PM me if you like.
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05-Aug-04, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sdaji When you say the covering over her eyes is slightly crinkled, exactly what do you mean? I've only seen this on blonde maccies and in the end I euthanased them. |
I dont want to start a argument or "bad thread" so can you Sdaji pm me cause i have a few questions about this comment.
Its just out of curiosity thats all.
Cheers, Alan. |
05-Aug-04, 04:11 PM
| | Moderator Moderator | Join Date: Jun-03 Location: Sydney, NSW,Australia | | | | I am of the same opinion as Bigguy, more than likely a growth spurt.
Did you ever see any mites on your coastal or Mac, or did you just do the TOD as a precautionary measure after seeing raised scales?
Sdaji, What was the symptom's & circumstances around the need for euthanasing your Mac's? Must have been bad?
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05-Aug-04, 04:28 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | I had three blonde maccies, hatchies, all going really well until at about 3 months of age, within a few weeks of each other their spectacles all looked 'dented' or caved in. When I saw the first one I thought it had just injured itself somehow. Over the next three weeks one by one the other 5 eyes went the same way. The snakes were kept separately and in identical setups to the way I've raised heaps of snakes including other maccies without problem. I took them to the vet, despite the fact that I despise vets and mainly because I knew everyone would scream at me if I didn't. End result was a bunch of money wasted on a complete moron who didn't have a credible thing to say but spouted off a whole load of complete garbage to justify charging me money (I won't name him but many consider him to be the best herp vet in Melbourne). Months later it seemed clear their eyes would never recover, I wouldn't ever have wanted to breed them and their lives were going to be in quaranteen forever, just for the extaordinarily slim chance of the condition being caused by a pathogen (I won't go into detail but it clearly wasn't pathogenic).
The vet's eventual conclusion (after I explained to him why it couldn't have been any of his first 5 hypotheses) was that the condition was caused by giving them heat mats. I couldn't explain to him that this was stupid. 'best herp vet in Melbourne' what a joke.
I am still at a loss to explain the condition, I have a few ideas and am interested in this case which sounds similar. It may be something different but 'crinkled eye coverings' sounds like it.
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05-Aug-04, 04:31 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | Teamsherman, I pmed you, what's up?
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05-Aug-04, 04:38 PM
| | Moderator Moderator | Join Date: Jun-03 Location: Sydney, NSW,Australia | | | | Sdaji,
Thanks for letting us know, I can't say I have ever come across any snakes that have had the same condition, and that didn't shed out the crinkly eye sheilds after their next shed.
Obviously you would have contacted the breeder of the Mac's, what did he have to say in regards the matter?
Keep us informed if you should find out anymore info in regard to the condition.
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05-Aug-04, 04:49 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Newcastle, NSW Age: 28 | | | | She has grown quite a bit since I got her, I hope that this is not the same problem as sdaji.
I do not have an extremely good camera but what I have captured below should show what I am talking about.
Cheers.
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05-Aug-04, 04:57 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Newcastle, NSW Age: 28 | | | | NCHERPS, I don't have the best eyes and while I had a look I never saw any, but alot of the symptoms were there so I done the treatment just to be sure.
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05-Aug-04, 05:00 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | Yes, I spoke to the breeder, he offered to refund my money but I declined because as far as he was concerned it was because I had over fed them and he would have been $#itty with me. I've grown snakes up faster than those and never had a problem, but I suppose it's remotely possible that he has a strain of maccie which is particularly prone to over feeding..... I don't think I'll learn any more since the snakes are now dead. A real shame because they were really beautiful and I really loved them.
The breeder said he contacted all the people who bought the hatchlings from the same litter and apparently none of them had the condition. It's a mystery!
Have you seen many snakes have crinkly spectacles which have gone back to normal after sloughing? I've never seen it.
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05-Aug-04, 05:03 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Newcastle, NSW Age: 28 | | | | Did they look like mine sdaji? That is if you can see them well enough in those pics.
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05-Aug-04, 05:03 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | snakewrangler: if that was my snake I'd be extremely worried (although perhaps it's not as unusual as I think). Please keep us informed as I'm obviously very interested. If you wouldn't mind letting me know where you bought it I'd really appreciate it. I'm not interested in naming names to anyone else, I'd just like to know if it's the same person I got mine from.
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05-Aug-04, 05:12 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-04 Location: Newcastle, NSW Age: 28 | | | | I have also noticed that she is moving around alot, she seems really unsettled.
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05-Aug-04, 05:19 PM
| | Sdaji Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-04 Location: Victoria | | | | I don't recall mine doing that, they seemed fine apart from the eyes.
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