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18-May-08, 09:36 AM
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not surprised he didnt get it, if i argued on a thread that gtp were in the wild round north sydney i would have erased that memory as well...
beano, i partially agree with your reasoning, some things that i have seen getting used for tucker almost make you want to cry...
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18-May-08, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Beano05  Because where they get caught they get eaten. there is a spot I know that is perfect for them | I want you to think about this Beano,
There are a lot of people who have a stake and an interest in the future of the Oenpelli python.
Its restricted range is not just an accident. It survives where it is in numbers enough to sustain the population because of many factors.
I dont think you know anything near enough about this snake and its habitat to be making judgements that will effect its future viability in the wild.
Hopefully by now someone has seen these posts by you and made the appropriate authorities aware of the threat that you present to the survival of this species.
Seriously, either your pulling our collective plonkers or you are dangerous.
Find out if there is a study being done. If there is offer yourself to it as a field assistant but dont interfere on your own.
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18-May-08, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Beano05 Because where they get caught they get eaten. there is a spot I know that is perfect for them | Most snakes will die if they are re-located anymore than a couple of kilometers from where they were originally found. You'd be better off going with the locals to hunt/look for them if you want to get some good pics of them.
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19-May-08, 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Beano05 Because where they get caught they get eaten. there is a spot I know that is perfect for them | So it'd be reasonable to assume that they've been 'lunch' occasionally for 40,000 years then.
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19-May-08, 07:55 AM
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I agree with Rams, any snake not released back very close to where it was find generally die
You have no idea the pecking order you are playing with if you stick a snake from where is was found.
You might be moving one male into another male's territory causing them both to find,and perhaps die of their injury's (worse case scenrio) but it is a possibility.
If they're so hard to find, they wont get eaten very often then will they.
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19-May-08, 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Beano05 Because where they get caught they get eaten. there is a spot I know that is perfect for them | they'd already be there if it was perfect for them.
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19-May-08, 09:39 AM
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l personally believe SNAKE RANCH or some such similar group should be allowed in to take 5-6 specimens and breed them , similar to the rough scale python [l don't kow anyone from snake ranch and don't own rsp's] but what they did with that python l think was excellent, sure they probably made some bucks , who gives a dam [not me] those rsp's will be available to all levels of reptile keepers sooner or later and l believe someone who does the hard yards early is entitled to some rewards...l believe there are two examples in our near past we should learn from...one is the tasmanian tiger more than likely GONE forever and another one we could learn from is the princess parrot very very rare in the wild...due to feral cats and foxes....but about $30-40 in captivity in several colour mutations....ps l would hate to think what science would pay to have a breeding pair of tasmanian tigers now.....and for all those wowsers and tyre kickers that don't like to see someone make a buck and have a great passion or want to leave it to governments.....my reply would be deleted by the mods if l posted that ....cheers solar 17 [baden]
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19-May-08, 09:48 AM
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Solar17
That is a bit of twisted stand on conservation and preservation of a species.
There are breeding programs of oenpelli pythons going on as we speak. But they are a very slow snake to mature so don't be suprised if we don't see them for the next 10-15 years being available to the general enthusiast.
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19-May-08, 09:57 AM
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I thought the only breeding program was at the Territory Widlife Park. Last i was aware they were granted approval to collect 2 animals (i think 2 females to add to the 2 males from Krauss' breeding).
????? correct me if im wrong
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19-May-08, 08:31 PM
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ouch, fair call by all, but snakes are caught and relocated all the time i've never heard of them dying. Ive seen a doco that has radio tagged snakes that have been relocated miles away and they all seem to have survived.
Where is this information so I can further read.?
to clear up any misconceptions
The relocation spot would not be more than a 1-2km away but if it proves correct I will not persue them this way.
I also am doing my research and am offering my free services to the study and conservation for this snake but am waiting for a few details to get back to me.
The reason they are hard to find is because they live in rock escarpment. they are in hard terrain with deep caves and crevasses that is like a huge labrynth and are nocturnal.
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19-May-08, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Beano05 ouch, fair call by all, but snakes are caught and relocated all the time i've never heard of them dying. Ive seen a doco that has radio tagged snakes that have been relocated miles away and they all seem to have survived.
Where is this information so I can further read.?
to clear up any misconceptions
The relocation spot would not be more than a 1-2km away but if it proves correct I will not persue them this way.
I also am doing my research and am offering my free services to the study and conservation for this snake but am waiting for a few details to get back to me.
The reason they are hard to find is because they live in rock escarpment. they are in hard terrain with deep caves and crevasses that is like a huge labrynth and are nocturnal. | Mate I'm not sure if you are serious or not or even if you can get some locals to source some for you but if you are you would be much better off to not do a thing as it seems you have very little idea on the subject.
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20-May-08, 09:51 AM
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Andy you need to remember that snakes can live along time without feeding and drinking, upto a year or more with large pythons not feeding. Just because a snake survives the relocation process doesn't mean that it will thrive or even contribute to the ecosystem.
I think your intentions are good maybe just a little mis-directed. Go out with the locals and get some photos of these guys just to stick it up all the nay-sayers.
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20-May-08, 11:27 AM
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I have spoken to them and they will take me to place that is culturaly appropriate so I can do as Gordo sugested.
My idea was with good intentions but obviously not now with the information provided. Thank you to those people. 
Ramsayi.. I am eager for you to share your wealth of knowledge with me, you seem to know something that your not sharing!
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20-May-08, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Beano05 I have spoken to them and they will take me to place that is culturaly appropriate so I can do as Gordo sugested.
My idea was with good intentions but obviously not now with the information provided. Thank you to those people.
Ramsayi.. I am eager for you to share your wealth of knowledge with me, you seem to know something that your not sharing! | He is definately doing just that.
You are obviously not a mug, you have the ability to take information on board.
Keep on absorbing it. You'll get there.
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20-May-08, 12:05 PM
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I'll just point out that Andy is not a Willia6 reincarnation. He is an Adult.
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