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12-Jan-07, 09:58 AM
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Its not a hybrid if it has any chance of reproducing. A HYBRID IS AN INFERTILE OFFSPRING. IE IF A HORSE AND A DONKEY MATE, THEY PRODUCE NON-VIABLE OFFSPRING - A MULE.
A diamond Morelia s. spilota and a coastal Morelia spilota mcdowelli/imbricata/metcalfi/variegata will produce viable offspring,a nd therfore, using the genetic definition of a hybrid, WILL NOT PRODUCE HYBRID OFFSPRING.
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12-Jan-07, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by junglist*  Its not a hybrid if it has any chance of reproducing. A HYBRID IS AN INFERTILE OFFSPRING. IE IF A HORSE AND A DONKEY MATE, THEY PRODUCE NON-VIABLE OFFSPRING - A MULE.
A diamond Morelia s. spilota and a coastal Morelia spilota mcdowelli/imbricata/metcalfi/variegata will produce viable offspring,a nd therfore, using the genetic definition of a hybrid, WILL NOT PRODUCE HYBRID OFFSPRING.
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12-Jan-07, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by mungus Can somebody tell me how you can tell a diamond python is 100% pure by
looking at it ??
I've always wanted to know this, as I'm a bit slow & thick when it comes to identification ??
I know of a breeder who has " perfect looking Diamonds " - won club comps to prove a piont, then let everybody know that one off the parents was a intergrade 1 generation ago !!!
He's no longer a member of that club or this site. | Chances are that that determination would only be a guess anyway mungus, as its pretty much imporrible to tell the genetic origins of ht eindividual. Besides, what they're classifying is the colouration, which may present for want of a better description as "PURE" when in fact the individual animal may have actually bee naturally crosbred somewhere in its ancestory.
Its a very questionable decision.
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12-Jan-07, 10:04 AM
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nice looking diamonds blue python/mitchdiamond.
yours are just as good mungus.
heres a pic of 1 off mine. 
if it works lol
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12-Jan-07, 10:08 AM
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no, it will still be a hybrid, the deffinition of a hybrid is: The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races
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12-Jan-07, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Australis If you bred that Hybrid with a pure Diamond you would only be breeding Hybrids, nothing pure will come from breeding that snake.
Also why are you calling it a diamond when infact it is a hybrid? a bit misleading IMO | I think he referred to it as an intergrade, which is a little different to a hybrid, as they occur naturally in the wild.
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12-Jan-07, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Matt I think he referred to it as an intergrade, which is a little different to a hybrid, as they occur naturally in the wild. | The snake is 75% diamond with some coastal. It's not an integrade.
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12-Jan-07, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by junglist* Chances are that that determination would only be a guess anyway mungus, as its pretty much imporrible to tell the genetic origins of ht eindividual. Besides, what they're classifying is the colouration, which may present for want of a better description as "PURE" when in fact the individual animal may have actually bee naturally crosbred somewhere in its ancestory.
Its a very questionable decision. |
So, basically were breeding on looks & their genetic make-up is thrown out the window.
So if they look like a Diamond - its a Diamond.
How many of you can be 100% SURE your Diamond is infact genetically " pure" ???
Listen, Diamonds, Intergrades Love them the same.
They both are Australian Natives
Give them the respect they deserve & get over it !!!!!
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12-Jan-07, 03:24 PM
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thats a very nice snake
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12-Jan-07, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mungus So, basically were breeding on looks & their genetic make-up is thrown out the window.
So if they look like a Diamond - its a Diamond.
How many of you can be 100% SURE your Diamond is infact genetically " pure" ???
Listen, Diamonds, Intergrades Love them the same.
They both are Australian Natives
Give them the respect they deserve & get over it !!!!! | hear hear
Last edited by hobbo; 12-Jan-07 at 03:48 PM.
Reason: spelling again lol
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12-Jan-07, 04:00 PM
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Oh so much to say but refraining after my short suspension 
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12-Jan-07, 04:02 PM
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If you cross a Carpet and a Diamond you DONT get a Intergrade anything like a "natural intergrade", the bottom line is its a hybrid or a Cross breed, what ever you want to call it..........
And its being advertised as a Diamond, which isnt being honest!
You can still get locality "pure" Diamonds that are first generation captive bred, but because people who dont really give a toss or are too think to understand it, you run a risk trying to get it from a Add like the one PythonBlue/MitchDiamond have placed.
And you can almost forget about getting a pure "natural intergrade" when most people think they are a natural cross........... or that they can cross a carpet and diamond to make one.... come on!
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12-Jan-07, 05:25 PM
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well i still think its pure as thats wat it was sold to me like and i would think its a natural intergrade think of this a diamond with a bredli yes then id call that a hybrid but if they conect togeather in the wild its ok as iuts been going on for hundreds of years SO ALL OF YOU WHO HATE HYBRIDS HATE PEOPLE WITH DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS EG. MOTHER NEW ZELAND,FATHER FRENCH AND DONT TELL ME ITS ANY DIFFERNT OK
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12-Jan-07, 05:28 PM
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most of us dont hate hybrids, we just dislike the people who sell them as pure animals
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12-Jan-07, 05:30 PM
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You can not create a "natural intergrade" in captivity by pairing a Diamond and a Coastal!
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