Red Bellies -V- Browns

[ihaveherps]

Originally Posted by spongebob

Am I safe the city side of Parramatta?

If I remember where you live correctly Spongebob, I caught my first snake in Auburn, a RBB, at Duck Creek, which drains into Parramatta River .... which is right near you !

And I have also seen one in Surrey Hills when I was a kid.

[spongebob]

Originally Posted by ihaveherps

If I remember where you live correctly Spongebob, I caught my first snake in Auburn, a RBB, at Duck Creek, which drains into Parramatta River .... which is right near you !

And I have also seen one in Surrey Hills when I was a kid.

Didn't know they could swim across the Parramatta river to Bikini Bottom! But those death adders in Thornleigh could easily come down the railway track. I've discarded my thongs and it's boots for me from now on.
Bob

[Hix]

Originally Posted by Rumpleseed

George, the NORTH COAST DEATH ADDER, happily curled up with bits of old meat on the ground around him.

Apparently she had been "hand feeding him" for over 12 months after finding him in her garden, taking him for a Bluey.

That's the second time in the last few months I've heard of people mistaking a Death Adder for a Bluey, the first being the guy at Wiseman's Ferry who got bitten. I put that first instance down to it being dark, and him having ahd a bit to drink, but now I'm wondering - has anyone else heard of this?

I know people often mistake Blueys for snakes, but how often do they mistake Adders for Blueys?



Hix

[spongebob]

Originally Posted by Rumpleseed

City side of Parra hey?

Well if your talking about Burwood, Strathfield, Redfern. Not a problem. The north side of the city is a whole different kettle of fish.

Another story...

Little old lady calls the local Police station, asking for a kind hearted Policeman to call past and relocate a pet Blue Tongue that had been living in her garden for the past 12 months which she had been feeding regularly and now fealt it was time he be returned to the wild.

Of course yours truely gets asked to pack a lunch and passport and head over to Thornleigh on the north shore and relocate him.

Upon arriving I was met at the front door by a lovely old stick, slippers, apron and purple hair who was only to happy to flash off her pearly white false denchers at me.


I was led into the yard and over to a garden bead where "George" lived (she named him). "There you go sunny, he's all yours and make sure you take good care of him". With this she pushes back a daisy bush and behold.... George, the NORTH COAST DEATH ADDER, happily curled up with bits of old meat on the ground around him.

Apparently she had been "hand feeding him" for over 12 months after finding him in her garden, taking him for a Bluey.

Soooooo the City side of Parra, I think your pretty safe

Sure it wasn't a North Shore Death Adder?

[mrmikk]

Originally Posted by bigguy

When I do my shows I always tell people just how valuable RBB's are to the enviroment due to the fact they are living carbage bins, eating any animal they can fit into their mouths. Of course, frogs are their favourite food, but as with all Blacksnakes, they are highly canobolistic.

One of the snakes most often eaten by RBB's are the Eatern Browns. They are without a doubt the Browns most major natual predator. Over the years so many millions of RBB's have been killed by people believing they are Australias most dangerous species(actually the opposite is true of the large elapids) and this has allowed the Browns to breed up in plague numbers.

Unfortunately, as the general public always seem to do, where they are being told RBB's keep Brownsnakes numbers lower, it is now twisted that if there are RBB's , then there are no Browns around. How do they eat them if there is none around.

I am now being told another great one. If there are Bluetongues around, there are no snakes. Where do they come up with all this crap from.

Hi Bigguy,

General q here, is the RBBS fatal to humans if untreated? Compared to the Eastern Brown how do they compare in terms of toxicity, aggresiveness etc...

Does anyone here keep them? They are a bloody impressive looking snake.

Mikk

[mrmikk]

Originally Posted by Rumpleseed

City side of Parra hey?

Well if your talking about Burwood, Strathfield, Redfern. Not a problem. The north side of the city is a whole different kettle of fish.

Another story...

Little old lady calls the local Police station, asking for a kind hearted Policeman to call past and relocate a pet Blue Tongue that had been living in her garden for the past 12 months which she had been feeding regularly and now fealt it was time he be returned to the wild.

Of course yours truely gets asked to pack a lunch and passport and head over to Thornleigh on the north shore and relocate him.

Upon arriving I was met at the front door by a lovely old stick, slippers, apron and purple hair who was only to happy to flash off her pearly white false denchers at me.

I was led into the yard and over to a garden bead where "George" lived (she named him). "There you go sunny, he's all yours and make sure you take good care of him". With this she pushes back a daisy bush and behold.... George, the NORTH COAST DEATH ADDER, happily curled up with bits of old meat on the ground around him.

Apparently she had been "hand feeding him" for over 12 months after finding him in her garden, taking him for a Bluey.

Soooooo the City side of Parra, I think your pretty safe

This is scatta!

1.) Why, all of a sudden would an old lady decide after 12 months that a blue tongue in her backyard require relocation?
2.) Why would said little old lady call the Police to perform the relocation?
3.) How fortunate was this old lady that after 12 months of "hand feeding" what The 'Seed calls a North Coast Death Adder, she was never bitten? Never, not once in 12 months!

A very colourful story 'seed, but how stupid do you think people on this site are????

Mikk

[ssssnakeman]

i have heard a few stories of people riding out rbb bites instead of going to get medical attention.
you wouldnt attempt this with a brown or tiger,but rbb,you do have a small chance of pulling
through.
dont try this kids,

[elapid68]

Originally Posted by mrmikk

Hi Bigguy,

General q here, is the RBBS fatal to humans if untreated? Compared to the Eastern Brown how do they compare in terms of toxicity, aggresiveness etc...

Does anyone here keep them? They are a bloody impressive looking snake.

Mikk

Firstly, no snake is aggressive, highly defencive, but not aggressive.
Toxicity is a lot less that the Brown. I don't think (please correct me if I'm wrong here people) that anybody has been killed by a RBBS, but if nailed I still wouldn't chance it. Get you butt to hospital ASAP


RBBS are very common in the pet trade, vurtually anyone with Vens will have had a RBBS at some stage. They really are a fantastic looking critter.

[bigguy]

Generally speaking, RBB's are not regarded as deadly. You would regard them as potentially dangerous. Only the very young, very old, or very sick person would be at a higher risk. Over the history of recorded snake bites in Australia, there seems to be only 2 unconfirmed deaths from RBB'S bites to very young children.. Many people bitten by RBB'S often just stay home and wait it out. I personally think they are insane because even though there is little chance of death, you can suffer for weeks. You could get kidney damage, or worse, you could get nacrosis around the bite site.

As for aggression, snakes are not. They are only defensive. Having said that RBB's are more likely to run when approached and normally only tend to bite when picked up. Browns however are very defensive, and will not hestitate to bite if they feel threatened, more so then nearly ever other snake species in Australia.

Browns are deadly, 2nd in the world, and even if you make it to hospital, you may still die. Tigers and Death Adders again are amounst the deadliest in the world also, but hospital treatment for these 2 are generally more effective.

Hix, Death Adders are commonly mistaken for Bluetongues, and this mistake is probably the 2nd or 3rd most common reason for adder bites. Tip, always look for legs before picking up any Bluetongue

[Rumpleseed]

Originally Posted by mrmikk

This is scatta!

1.) Why, all of a sudden would an old lady decide after 12 months that a blue tongue in her backyard require relocation?
2.) Why would said little old lady call the Police to perform the relocation?
3.) How fortunate was this old lady that after 12 months of "hand feeding" what The 'Seed calls a North Coast Death Adder, she was never bitten? Never, not once in 12 months!

A very colourful story 'seed, but how stupid do you think people on this site are????

Mikk

Well Mikk, you've just shown everyone on this site who reads your post just how stupid "you are" by your ignorant comments. Never surprised by the comments of a novice who obviously does not know what he/she is talking about.

Once you get another 20 years of herp experience under your belt like some of us have and then come back and learn.

And by the way, The Police receive over 3000 snake/reptile calls per year. I know, I analize the data first hand as I am statatition employed with the Police Service. Who else do people call when they are in trouble??

[ssssnakeman]

I don't think (please correct me if I'm wrong here people) that anybody has been killed by a RBBS,

a few deaths not many, but most if not all of those were exceptional cases

[-Peter]

who else are they going to call?

WIRES
Sydney Wildlife
other local wildlife group
NPWS
Fire Brigade
their uncle, cousin, brother sister etc. They are usually on the phone to them when you try and call them back for more information.

[IsK67]

Originally Posted by consequence

who else are they going to call?

WIRES
Sydney Wildlife
other local wildlife group
NPWS
Fire Brigade
their uncle, cousin, brother sister etc. They are usually on the phone to them when you try and call them back for more information.

Michael and James Dierickx?


IsK

[mrmikk]

Originally Posted by Rumpleseed

Well Mikk, you've just shown everyone on this site who reads your post just how stupid "you are" by your ignorant comments. Never surprised by the comments of a novice who obviously does not know what he/she is talking about.

Once you get another 20 years of herp experience under your belt like some of us have and then come back and learn.

And by the way, The Police receive over 3000 snake/reptile calls per year. I know, I analize the data first hand as I am statatition employed with the Police Service. Who else do people call when they are in trouble??

Why would my comments be interpreted as being indicative of stupidity? I think you are becoming defensive simply because I dare challenge your unconvincing 'story'. Rather than simply call me stupid, why not respond in an objective fashion with evidence against the points I have raised?

As for being a novice, how could you possibly reach that conclusion from information about me on this site? I, unlike you don't feel the need to legitimise myself to other members of this forum and as such don't need to respond to you with my C.V., save to say I have a lot my experience in the areas you discuss than you think.

Mikk