selected from topic about bigguy's death chondro.

[soulweaver]

Originally Posted by instar

Is there not a viable population in the iron range? No cap breeding prog at zoos?

melb zoo was trying to breed gtp's but last year the keeper came into work and one of the five was dead, which happened to be the female, the other four where male.........so there went their breeding program

[michaelh]

Sdaji,

You have clarified your meaning and I appologise for any offense. Up here there are too many people, fishermen/women are an excellent example, who have no respect for the natural resources we have. The amount of illegal shooting and other destruction of the environment in FNQ is scary. I appologise for assuming you agreed with the who cares crowd.

Secondly my point re current pop was not meant to be directed at you, just for info.

Michael

[Fuscus]

I am amazed that I haven't posted my codences to you bigguy, very remisse of me.

The lady releasing SA MDs down here is doing it with full co operation and knowleadge of the national parks (as part of operation bounceback). To do otherwise would be illeagal. She released 168 this year after first shed. Of course most will die but sheds have been found from last years releases ( MDs are extinct in that area). I don't know where the idea that she is releasing MDs at fogg dam came from.

INHO we should have regulated captive populations of mostl native species with controlled recrutment from the wild if required. Collection when the animal is/was common is prefered. This does three things, it maintains a spare population incase the worst should happen, it means we have a pool of people capable of maintaining the species and lastly, the pets serve as ambassadors between humans and the animal.

[obee]

my gtp's didn't come from the wild snakewrangler and that is the difference.i have them because they aren't from the wild directly.i have great interest in this species,so i aquired them because they are legal and the best available at present,thats the extent of it.if i am lucky enough to breed them,great.if i don't, great.they are the first thing i look at in the morning and the last thing at night.also a real test of skill as a herpetologist.
sdaji,i can understand some of what you are saying,but there is nothing wrong with the population of gtp's,so there is no reason to establish a captive population.maybe we should establish vast captive heards of eastern grey kangaroos incase something happens to the 68 million that are out there in the wild,ridiculas.do they allow you to shoot roo's in the wild where you live sdaji, to eat.as far as i know thats illegal.fuscus i agree with what you are saying but why must collected gtp's go to private keepers as pets,thats why we have zoo's.
i think everyone forgets that the collection of aussie gtp's from the wild was allowed by npws 20+ years ago.WHERE ARE THE RESULTS OF THIS COLLECTION.THERE ARE NONE.ppl can point fingers and blame other ppl for there failings.the first time this was done by private keepers it failed miserably.great track record to work off.the end result is one lonely old animal that died without benefiting his species and other old animals to old to breed.so what, we should let ppl do this again?please tell me where bob's old animal would have contributed best to the future exsistence of his kind,in the wild or in a cage never to reproduce.what a horrible,selfish waste.


obee

[dobermanmick]

IMO anyonoe who is keeping and planing to breed gtp's would be totally against a wild collection of them as the investment they made would plumment .
So my question is are they really interested in survival of gtp's or the money that can be made out of them ?

[Sdaji]

Sdaji,

You have clarified your meaning and I appologise for any offense. Up here there are too many people, fishermen/women are an excellent example, who have no respect for the natural resources we have. The amount of illegal shooting and other destruction of the environment in FNQ is scary. I appologise for assuming you agreed with the who cares crowd.

Secondly my point re current pop was not meant to be directed at you, just for info.

Michael

Michael,

no worries mate, it's often difficult to accurately interpret what people are trying to say when you're working with text only. Perhaps the miscomprehension was also largely my fault for not expressing myself more clearly.

Friends?

-Sdaji

[obee]

dobermanmick if my gtp's were worth $50 tommorrow.i would still wake up in the morning go straight to them and leave them with the same big grin i do every other day.they are bloody fabulous animals.i wouldn't part with them for anything.the added attraction is they weren't taken from the wild.


obee

[soulweaver]

not having a go at you obee, but i was just wondering if u are against the collection of gtps in private hands are you against the other species in private hands?

[BROWNS]

Damn good point soul...They are now collecting WA bhps,womas,stimsoni etc.They take from the wild in NT and both places have nothing wrong with the decline in populations so what makes a GTP any different...especially as there are no breeding Aussie ones...i'll tell you what the difference is!!!

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[Slateman]

OK guys
I went trough all 7 pages of deleted posts and put back the ones with out bitching and with bit of informative stuff.
Please do not spoil this topic again by fighting.
Topic is about chondros, if they should be taken from wild for breading purposes.
Please do not bring here again personall issues. If you will, we will delete the thread permanently.