snake priceing

[liasis]

hi everyone i am just starting this thread to see how many people feel the same way as i do. its about the drop in price for different snake spiecies yes i know that more people are breeding and supply and demand but what is the gain from dropping the price from 300 to 250 a year later i was happy to purchase the snake years ago for the prices that they all used to be but in saying that some need to come down so they were able to be bought by people that couldnt afford to keep things like womas and bhp im not being greedy or anything but i am just concerned that we are killing the market to kwikly due to everyone trying to undercut each other and also i am wondering why most prices are comeing down but standard coastal carpets are bing advertised for 250 300 whats the deal with that but anyways just want to find out other peoples ideas on the matter

[liasis]

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[Peterwookie]

I agree that the value of reptiles is slowly dropping but I keep hearing that next year in NSW they are going to be able to sell reptiles in pet shops will that make prices worse ???

[baxtor]

Originally Posted by liasis

hi everyone i am just starting this thread to see how many people feel the same way as i do. its about the drop in price for different snake spiecies yes i know that more people are breeding and supply and demand but what is the gain from dropping the price from 300 to 250 a year later i was happy to purchase the snake years ago for the prices that they all used to be but in saying that some need to come down so they were able to be bought by people that couldnt afford to keep things like womas and bhp im not being greedy or anything but i am just concerned that we are killing the market to kwikly due to everyone trying to undercut each other and also i am wondering why most prices are comeing down but standard coastal carpets are bing advertised for 250 300 whats the deal with that but anyways just want to find out other peoples ideas on the matter

how do you feel about the cost of full points and commas?

[MoreliaMatt]

some are going down yes, but some are going up too.....
like you said, you understand supply and demand......
so if you do really understand that, then i dont see what your asking?

[Cheyne_Jones]

Its probably a bit rough on some people who have made investments in snakes that have dropped. However its still not a hard ask to make your investment back on the first clutch no matter how far the market has fallen in most cases... One species i whince at how far price has fallen are roughies, wouldnt like the feeling of investing 50k+ a couple of years back seeing current prices.

Another thing i notice is well known high quality lines such as sxr jungles or black and white jungles (many more i am sure) still fetch a premium year in year out. Perfect examples of the supply and demand theory.

[liasis]

Originally Posted by baxtor

how do you feel about the cost of full points and commas?

well just to start out i dont much care for them you can still read it and understand what im saying so shut it

[liasis]

Originally Posted by MoreliaMatt

some are going down yes, but some are going up too.....
like you said, you understand supply and demand......
so if you do really understand that, then i dont see what your asking?

take bredlis for example a year ago they went for 300-350 yeah this year they are going for 250 theres not reason for the drop next year are bredli going to be 150 -200 thats my point i was happy to pay the 300 everytime i bought bredli when i first got them it wasnt an unreasonable price but anyways everyone has there own opinion

[mrmikk]

There is more to price than simple supply and demand. Regardless of what the supply levels are per se, the quality being offered in that 'supply' is always going to dictate that there are variations in price.

What I am trying to say is, good quality animals are always going to attract higher prices.

Look at the number of ads for 'Black & Gold' jungle pythons, how many are really nice, solid black and gold animals? Not many, most are black and a dirty white/brown colour. So when a really good B & G jungle is offered they are usually snapped up at a premium price.

As for paying $50k for Roughies a few years ago, you will always pay a premium to be one of the first to have anything 'new' and people should know that. Plasma TVs are a great example of this.

[MrSpike]

It really is up to the breeder of the animals to set their prices, within reason of course. Sure there are higher and lower end's in the market for each species, but when it comes down to it if most Coastal's (for example) are between $100 - $200 but the market stretches from between $80 - $350 then it still is fairly easy to sell snakes for prices from the higher end of the market.

Kane

[Cheyne_Jones]

Originally Posted by mrmikk

There is more to price than simple supply and demand. Regardless of what the supply levels are per se, the quality being offered in that 'supply' is always going to dictate that there are variations in price.

What I am trying to say is, good quality animals are always going to attract higher prices.

Look at the number of ads for 'Black & Gold' jungle pythons, how many are really nice, solid black and gold animals? Not many, most are black and a dirty white/brown colour. So when a really good B & G jungle is offered they are usually snapped up at a premium price.

Well said, the market really recognises quality and is willing to pay top dollar for it more than ever. The breeders that have put time and effort into good lineage are going to be reaping benefits no matter how far markets fall imo..

[MrSpike]

Also something else I think should effect the factors of pricing - what the breeder offers with the animals they sell. Is there unlimited advice offered, a care sheet, full records etc.

[MrBredli]

Originally Posted by liasis

take bredlis for example a year ago they went for 300-350 yeah this year they are going for 250 theres not reason for the drop next year are bredli going to be 150 -200 thats my point i was happy to pay the 300 everytime i bought bredli when i first got them it wasnt an unreasonable price but anyways everyone has there own opinion

Actually, for the most part, bredli prices have been very stable. I purchased my original pair about 7 years ago from URS for $350 each. Most people are asking $300-350 these days and Snake Ranch ask for a little more than that. There will always be people selling cheaper than the going rate so if you see a couple advertised cheaper it doesn't mean the prices are dropping. Some people aren't in it just for the money, others don't have the space/time to hold them for too long and some people, like myself , are just nice people and don't feel the need to gouge every possible cent out of our fellow herpers.

[Reptile_Boy]

Originally Posted by Peterwookie

I agree that the value of reptiles is slowly dropping but I keep hearing that next year in NSW they are going to be able to sell reptiles in pet shops will that make prices worse ???

i highly doubt that will happen next year they have to still get the laws passes and rules made up etc. if so i think we looking a few more years before it happens.( if law passed and pet shops sell) the thing about prices they could increase due to being first year and animals pet shops will try to have there "best of the best" on show, and sale. new people will jump strain in and they will make the prophet etc. but eventually the conditon of animals will drop in cetain shops some will stay in good condition. difrent shops will have difrent prices, animals, phases etc. the prices will also depend on the animals linage and form. the prices wil lalso depend on where the animal came from(breeder),transort, demand on the animal etc.

[andyscott]

One price that will sky rocket will be for Rough Scaled Pythons. When they do become legal in Victoria, a whole new market will open up. There are so many people in Vic that want them, and not enough animals to go around, so the price will rise in all states.