snake priceing

[CASHO_B]

it has just been passed in principle to sell them in pet shops in nsw and they think it will be within a year that they will be in the pet shops.

[Jason]

Price's being asked for a species depends more on the individual animals then anything imo. bredli is the example that was used so i will stick with that, some bredli i very nice demanding a price higher in the bredli price spectrum, at the other end there are some very fugly bredli around which imo would be lucky to get 200, so in this case its quaility that determines the price. But another factor as mentioned before was that some people just dont really care much bout the money and prefer just to move the animal on for reasons such as room etc, in this situation you may find top quality that could fetch high prices being sold cheap to ensure fast sales.

im sure there are many people out there willing o pay top dollar for certain animals! i for one would be happy to pay 2K for a nice woma, i think they are exceptional species, but if i can get the same quaility etc for cheaper...why not? this can incourage others to drop there prices to compete because in the long run they can get stuk with animals they are unable to sell cause the bloke round the corner has the same thing but cheaper.

as for herps in shops, it WILL happen and from what im hearing within the next couple of yrs. this imo wont affect the prices at all, if anything many many more people will start keeping reptiles which results in a larger market. therefor more demand for the supply. the biggest thing that threatens prices of herps is the number of newbies getting into the hobby to breed and make some bucks. it amazes me the number of people that ring me toget there first snake that want a pair cause they want to breed them, these are people that have never had a reptiles. its cause evryone wants to breed them to some degree that we have over supply.

[Ramsayi]

Originally Posted by Cheyne_Jones

Its probably a bit rough on some people who have made investments in snakes that have dropped. However its still not a hard ask to make your investment back on the first clutch no matter how far the market has fallen in most cases... One species i whince at how far price has fallen are roughies, wouldnt like the feeling of investing 50k+ a couple of years back seeing current prices.

Another thing i notice is well known high quality lines such as sxr jungles or black and white jungles (many more i am sure) still fetch a premium year in year out. Perfect examples of the supply and demand theory.

Bottom line is you pay what you think something is worth.The concept of buying reptiles as an "investment" is flawed.This is first and foremost a hobby.If you can make a few bob out of breeding to cover outlays thats great if not so what.

I buy whatever type of reptile appeals to me not because I think its necessarily a good investment.As an example if blonde macs were to drop to $10 each I would still breed and keep them because I like them,its as simple as that.

[chilli]

Originally Posted by mrmikk

As for paying $50k for Roughies a few years ago, you will always pay a premium to be one of the first to have anything 'new' and people should know that. Plasma TVs are a great example of this.

these sorts of animals at such a premium, have factored into their pricing "bragging rights". once a number of people have them, this factoring reduces considerably and quickly.

[BIG RYANO]

Originally Posted by andyscott

One price that will sky rocket will be for Rough Scaled Pythons. When they do become legal in Victoria, a whole new market will open up. There are so many people in Vic that want them, and not enough animals to go around, so the price will rise in all states.

I dont agree. There's already a fair few people down there with them. I personally know five people with them in Melbourne. There's plenty of Roughies to go round. People cant sell them now for the prices they want. jmo.

[Trousa_Snake]

Originally Posted by liasis

hi everyone i am just starting this thread to see how many people feel the same way as i do. its about the drop in price for different snake spiecies yes i know that more people are breeding and supply and demand but what is the gain from dropping the price from 300 to 250 a year later i was happy to purchase the snake years ago for the prices that they all used to be but in saying that some need to come down so they were able to be bought by people that couldnt afford to keep things like womas and bhp im not being greedy or anything but i am just concerned that we are killing the market to kwikly due to everyone trying to undercut each other and also i am wondering why most prices are comeing down but standard coastal carpets are bing advertised for 250 300 whats the deal with that but anyways just want to find out other peoples ideas on the matter

It hasen't changed off the net much... coastal carpets $150, male womas $900 .... ick

Not everyone follows the prices on the net.

[Bredlislave]

Originally Posted by MrBredli

Actually, for the most part, bredli prices have been very stable. I purchased my original pair about 7 years ago from URS for $350 each. Most people are asking $300-350 these days and Snake Ranch ask for a little more than that. There will always be people selling cheaper than the going rate so if you see a couple advertised cheaper it doesn't mean the prices are dropping. Some people aren't in it just for the money, others don't have the space/time to hold them for too long and some people, like myself , are just nice people and don't feel the need to gouge every possible cent out of our fellow herpers.

Well said Mr.Bredli, this is perfectly true.
I don't care how long I keep my bredli babies the main thing is an excellent home and new owners that genuinely care for the animal.
IMO prices have risen for quality animals.
Cheers
Sandee

[symbol]

I was talking to a gentleman (?owner) of a petshop who said in the next 6 weeks selected petshops will be able to sell reptiles??? Is that true? Not sure how I feel about it to be honest. I think it will make reptiles more of a disposable animal, ie one dies, just go buy another one. I also think there will be alot of reptiles being purchased that will go to homes where the person knows nothing about keeping them! Its like that now, in a way as there is no control on who gets a licence, however it will be on a much larger scale when reptiles are sold in a petshop. That said, I dont know if its a good idea or not. It will also play havic on reptile prices, I dont know if it will mean they will be more or less expensive. I also think its going to be harder to get what you want from private breeders because breeders might be inclined to offload the reptiles to a petshop quickly.

Just my thoughts.

[python blue]

Originally Posted by symbol

I was talking to a gentleman (?owner) of a petshop who said in the next 6 weeks selected petshops will be able to sell reptiles??? Is that true? Not sure how I feel about it to be honest. I think it will make reptiles more of a disposable animal, ie one dies, just go buy another one. I also think there will be alot of reptiles being purchased that will go to homes where the person knows nothing about keeping them! Its like that now, in a way as there is no control on who gets a licence, however it will be on a much larger scale when reptiles are sold in a petshop. That said, I dont know if its a good idea or not. It will also play havic on reptile prices, I dont know if it will mean they will be more or less expensive. I also think its going to be harder to get what you want from private breeders because breeders might be inclined to offload the reptiles to a petshop quickly.

Just my thoughts.

thats interesting i remember my local pet shop was talking about it before, but i also think it will be great and bad but there will be laws set in place to stop anything illegal or bad happening to the reptiles also the only pet shops in nsw who should be allowed to sell them is shops who privatly keep them so they know how to look after them and make sure people know what there getting themselfs into, i think it will open a whole new world for the reptile hobby in nsw

[wokka]

Perhaps its better for breeders to offload them cheap to pet shops than cheap to new snake keepers who may just buy an animal because of price rather than because it is what they want. Hopefully petshops will have the facilities to care for them whilst they find buyers who are preopared to pay for the animal they really want.
I agree a lot of keepers want the thrill of breeding animals then panic at the responsibility of caring for nimbers , so they dump them on the market and run.

[paleoherp]

22 years ago when I got my first childrens python the standed price was $80, so obviously the price of some species has gone up. Although this is hard to gauge as there has been a great deal of change since then with new species coming on to the books and the availability of species that you can get now.
Some species are still the same price, I can remember paying $400 for my first Olive Python and you can get them for around the same price today.
I think the market is always going to go up and down to a degree.

[tarzan]

I agree with the majority of those people who choose to breed quality animals and provide assistance and guidance to those who buy there offspring, the price and market will always be reasonable. The problem is that some people see this as a money making venture and have no conscience about what they palm off and to who they palm it off to. There is nothing more satisfying then to receive feedback from someone a few years later about how happy they are that the person they got there 1st snake from sold them a quality animal and helped them nurture there new pet to sucess even though they didn't have any real concept at the time of purchase ,just a gut load of conflicting information they have been told or read about. at that point you should decide wether or not you payed to much or to little. As for the pet shops i have watched the pet market in queensland start to sell reptiles thinking that they were going to make a million off impulse buyers and quite frankly i have been disgusted at the condition and care offered to these animals by people who really don't have any passion for the animal or its history or future. I have listened to there advice while they sell the animal to some 14 year old brat who can't wait to get it home and make it bite his best mate to impress the girl and so on.
I have also watched how they have not been selling many reptiles and have started to reduce the numbers they keep because people really don't want dragons with two legs and half a tail just because they have 50% off. I would also recommend that any pet shops in NSW that plan to sell reptiles because i am sure there is a percentage out there that actually care for the animals, that you step up your security when you decide to start selling reptiles because all of our local shops have been targeted for robbery and theft and the only things that have gone are the reptiles and associated products. As for price, naturally the pet shops have to make 100% or more markup to stay in buisness there prices are fairly constantly high it doesn't take people long to work out they can get a much better deal from private collector's, trading sites etc. it has been very interesting to observe the trend of pet shops here since they have been allowed to sell reptiles. Also if you sell your hatchling species to pet shops you would be seen to be doing this for commercial gain and one day the tax man will start to talk to the EPA man and you just may find yourself with a tax bill.

[zulu]

I have to move young reptiles on,i find them very time consuming to look after,so they go at a price that motivates buyers,cant do the holding onto thing for ages pretending that they are selling with unrealistic prices.

[wokka]

There is certainly an arguement that higher prices encourage better care. You dont see a lot of abused albinos,gtps etc.Why do poeple breed them if they "have to move them on" Surely its best to plan to keep them and only sell to committed buyers.

[Armand]

IMO the price should vary on the colouring and marking on the snake. also consider the temperment and size. but i agree its rediculas to pay 7 grand for a GTP even though they are so beautiful but i reckon a hatchling GTP should go for about 1.5 grand or 2 grand..