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16-May-08, 02:57 PM
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Meyndert bornman is the one who wrote the artical on Colour and pattern Mutations of australian pythons in the Keeping and breeding australian python book
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16-May-08, 02:59 PM
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makes a mockery of his inclusion in "Keeping and Breeding Australian pythons".
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16-May-08, 03:08 PM
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its a bit of a worry if anyone has bought of him
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16-May-08, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by gozz  its a bit of a worry if anyone has bought of him | Thats for sure
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16-May-08, 03:18 PM
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they should take hes licence off him! But we all no that wont happen!
if anyone has brought off him in the past may be worth looking into as if i spent that kinda money i wouldnt risk the chance of DSE knocking on my door taking them cos the so called breeder stuffed up.
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16-May-08, 03:43 PM
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If DSE didn't punish him I doubt anybody that bought stuff off him has anything to worry about. It's a ridculous punishment. I doubt it'd hvae been long time planning, he'd have just thought about getting more, He may not have had 4 die, he could say anything he likes, theres that many on his license.
And he could DEFINATLEY afford babies.
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16-May-08, 03:53 PM
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This germ really hasn't surprized me the depths he would sink to.
What a legend, it is such a pathetic fine, such a joke allround.
The animals arent the priority for these people - it is all about the money.
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16-May-08, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pixxie And he could DEFINATLEY afford babies. | And you're his accountant are you?
I am not defending him in the slightest btw.
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16-May-08, 04:03 PM
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what a joke, the fines are rubbish. So much for doing the right thing. It almost makes it worth doing this crap, they need harsher penaltys so it doesnt happen again. and definatly loss of licence for good.
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16-May-08, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatelina And you're his accountant are you?
I am not defending him in the slightest btw. | Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise it took a genius to figure it out.. But now I know.
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16-May-08, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatelina And you're his accountant are you? | Tatelina, do you have to be so rude all the time?
Anyone who knows who he is or has come across him on APS or at expos knows what caliber of animals he keeps. Even if he didn't have the cash, he could sell say, an albino, and buy hatchy GTPs if he wanted. That doesn't take an accountant, it takes a small level of knowledge on python market prices.
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16-May-08, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Forensick they didnt say what species he tried to bring in... but that looks like a GTP...... so it coulda been worse... at least he smuggled in "natives" | smuggling is bad... we all know that. but to say it could have been worse as they were natives i think is a bit beside the point... in any case, any disease brought in by a 'foreign' native is guaranteed to affect the native population if they come into contact, as they are the same species. the reason these laws are in place is to protect native snake populations, and a $3300 deterrent is not the way to go about it.
from what i can see on the DSE license application forms i read and filled out recently, the current laws in place in Victoria were instated in the "Wildlife Act of 1975". that's the problem right there. in 1975 $3300 was considerably more than it is today, and while their intentions were in the right place, i'll bet if you told any one those who wrote these laws that a GTP could, and would, sell for up to $10 grand, they would have called you crazy.
the laws and punishments clearly need updating, and the DSE are not about to go ahead and do it, as i'm sure they have more than enough other things on their plate. the issue needs to be raised on a large scale, because pretty soon something catastrophic is bound to happen, and we could lose the GTP or any one of the other beautiful species of snake we have in australia entirely.
i hope some changes are made soon
Lewis
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16-May-08, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Tatelina And you're his accountant are you?
I am not defending him in the slightest btw. | You don't need to be an accountant when you know what sort and how many snakes this guy was selling.
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16-May-08, 04:35 PM
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Hi all, Bornman had 4 or 5 baby green tree pythons for sale for 4500 at the reptile show in melbourne in feburary .
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16-May-08, 04:38 PM
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Why would anybody import animals that are carrying diseases???? That is rediculous. Wrong thing to do I guess, but I wonder how many of you would actually say no to 4 adult green pythons, 1 male and 3 females for $5500. The market price for them is rediculous, and the only reason they cost that much is because we in the hobby are willing to pay the exuberent prices for them in Australia. When we stop giving them the value they have people will stop smuggling them in. He paid for it with his reputation, that should be enough. The judge might have known this too. The animals have also been destroyed, so no chance of disease. So in total the experiment cost him $10000. Its when people start cramming 10 animals into a box and two thirds die that it becomes a disease risk into Australia.
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