Stimson's python

[NCHERPS]

[b]Stimson's python [/b]
I notice from reading a few articles by Hoser that he has thought they should be re-classified into three possible subspecies by locality.
The nominate one being A.saxacola saxacola, from Antaresia s stimsoni.

What do you guys think about this?
Do you recognise the different localities/subspecies?
Have you in fact got a few different localities/subspecies and have noticed deffinate differences in them?

Thanks in advance for your answers.

NCHERPS

[NoOne]

Stimsoni have the largest range of any of the childrens family and to say they are the exactly the same is foolish.
They are found from WA right over to NSW and QLD it a massive range.
Stimsoni from WA, Alice Springs, tennent creek and Qld are some of the different localities that are being sold.
The major difference is color/pattern but stimsoni from alice springs have proven to be alot harder to breed then other strains.
I've been trying with a trio that was originally caught from Macdonell ranges for 3 years without success.

[Brodie]

It's people like you noone who have brought the reptile hobby and herpetology so far here in oz. Are there any forms that are more sought after than others?
Cheers

[roadkill5000]

i think magpie knows someone with a subspecies of stimpsoni

[Magpie]

Yeah, told it was an Orientalis, but what I have read of the orientalis contradicts this. This is a very small stimsoni that is striped instead of blotched. They are only about 2' long fully grown and hatchlings are tiny.
Barker mention the subspecies in their book, but say that at the time, the evidence is strongly contradictory.

[NoOne]

Where can i find info on Orientalis Magpie? I've heard of it but never seen any writings about it.
Has it been reocognised as a subspecies?

[NoOne]

Brodie
As with alot of reptiles origins have started being crossed, It hasn't happened with stimsoni as much as others.
Alot of people have with stimsoni don't know where they originated from because their range is so large and once they have gone through a few owners it's like chinese whispers.
Tennent creek stimsoni are nice and have good bold markings but even then some stimsoni from that area can have alot of smudgging and less contrasting markings.
It would take alot of work to find out how many subspecies do exist.

[Brodie]

OK thanks, sounds like something I can study when I become a herpetologist
Cheers

[NCHERPS]

Thanks everyone for your input .
I believe there are many species/subspecies of snakes that need alot of investigation, especially species that appear to occur over such a vast area's/continents.
There may well be a case for making a few new species, as was the case with Barker and his investigation into Indonesian Scrub pythons, which as you know have now led to 3 newly described species.
Can't wait for Barkers new book to come out, although I think it will mainly have Indo species in it, it is bound to be of interest to most of us in one way or another.

Cheers

NCHERPS

[popp]

Eitherway im not fussed,the governing body will change it regardless of what anyone thinks.They prolly wont put subspecies in as it will be extra ink they will have to use & money wasted.

[Alexahnder]

is it the tennant creek ones that are really red???

[Brodie]

Hi, i dont know but I have heard that they are 'rare' in captivity.

[NoOne]

The tennent creek stimsoni i've seen have had a fairly light background color and really dark chocolate blotches.
Tennet creek stimsoni aren't rare just often people don't where their stimsoni come from.
I know a few breeders that have them.

[FrenzMan]

i dont no the origin of my stimmie
the breeder didnt say what sub species or whatever it was
if i was to post a good detailed pic do u think ny of u experts would be able to take a shot at guessin what region its originally from

am at tafe now but when i get home will go to mates house either today or 2morro and scan the pic and then upload it here ok

[Magpie]

Here's a pic of mate's Orientalis...