Very stupid!!!!

[Matty]

i have noticed, some fool on herp trader is selling carpet crosses.
why would you be so stupid as to cross two different forms of carpet? i cant understand why you would do this? if everyone starts to cross there carpets soon we will be like america and have only crosses available as the "pure" forms will have been destroyed by idiots cross breeding.
The authorities in each state should recognise the different forms and
stop the crossing, before we go down the American path.

[SnakeWrangler]

There are many people who cross breed snakes, I personally don't care if they are cross bred as long as the person selling them says that is what they are. I am very interested in designer snakes myself, I would love to be able create a pure black python, of course I would never want the "pure" forms lost, but I think both can coexist.

Depending on what snakes have been crossed it shouldn't even technically be called a "cross" as all but two of the carpets (Morelia spilota) are the same species.

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Don't start it plz - this convo has been argued hundreds of times (should intergrading be allowed). It happens naturally such as diamonds with coastals etc. Atleast the guy who is selling them has advertised them as a cross. Some ppl don't even say they are a cross and sell them to newbies who know no better.

nglerDarn u beat me to it snakewrangler

[moosenoose]

Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler

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Hehehehe

Originally Posted by Z@C

Don't start it plz - this convo has been argued hundreds of times (should intergrading be allowed).

Don't you mean Hybridizing? :wink:

Originally Posted by moosenoose

Don't you mean Hybridizing? :wink:

Whats the difference??? :roll:

[Matty]

So if i cross an Imbricata with a Jungle then thats fine because there
both "Carpets". rubbish. Would these snakes meet in the wild, Answer NO
This is what im talking about, crossing snakes that would never naturally
meet and or hybridize. What does this person now do with a crossed
snake they have purchased? grow it up to an adult and breed from it, to
what? he breeds his "cross" to a pure form and starts to stuff up a whole new lineage of captive bred snakes. I can see that in twenty or thirty years from now you wont even be able to buy a pure form, but the market
will be flooded with, ( Murray/Jungles, Darwin/Jungles, Imbricata/Jungles, Coastal/Imbricatas ) and it goes on and on. Kiss the true forms goodbye.

[Dicco]

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!! Port Mac Pythons are not hybrids!!!! They are a seperate sub-species just like Darwins and Coastals. Weather they 'melted' together from Coastals and Dimonds where their ranges overlapped or Changed from Coastals, to Port Mac's and then to Dimonds as they migrated down the coast they are still a a different snake, how it came about doesn't matter.

Back to the subject on hand, intentionally crossing any snakes in Australia is illegal, wheather they are a seperate species or just a sub-species. In my opinion it is wrong, tell me how a Murray comes across a Jungle in the wild?, and why the hell do we have the right to play around with their genes, why do need to cross species? is making a pretty snake going to help anyone?? If you really do love and respect snakes then why do you want to change them? What's wrong with what we already have? If you cross a snake just to get something you like then obviously your are only in it because you want something pretty ect. not for the snake itself(although there are always exeptions). And lets be honest, were always going to have those low-lives who wrongly advertise their animals and are only in it for the money.

Originally Posted by Dicco

Back to the subject on hand, intentionally crossing any snakes in Australia is illegal,

bzzzzt, wrong.

[ashley_morris22]

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only opions Teamsherman no facts.

only joking

had to trow my 2c in.

[Dicco]

Originally Posted by Teamsherman

bzzzzt, wrong.

Really? I stand corrected, it's that way in QLD at least.

Cool, wasnt a smart bum reply, just quick and to the point.

[instar]

OMG ! yeah, lets discuss hybrids/intergrades...again? :roll:
If your not buying them Matty, why should you care? lifes short! :wink:

[Matty]

Because these snakes will be grown to adult size and most likely bred to
a "pure" form, its highly unlikly that they will be bred to another cross.
I care because if we are not carefull and everyone starts crossing there carpets we will destroy all the work taken to establish these "pure" forms in captivity. Like i said in twenty or thirty years from now you wont be able to get a pure form carpet only crosses. Then what do we do, go and take from the wild a whole new generation of wild snakes to re-establish captive populations of the true forms? Wild pythons are declining rapidly, whats happens if we bred out the true forms over the next thirty years to only find that we cant go and get more from the wild because there EXTINCT? Ever thought of that?

[Ginajam01]

Maybe Browns can explain the difference between integrades and hybrids for us................

ROFLMFAO

Couldn't resist.

Cheers Jamie