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11-Apr-08, 05:04 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: central coast. nsw Gender:  | | | With you all the way Jack. Just look at Burms in the everglades for example. Horses for courses in my opinion. Its a bummer ,i know, having to put up with the several boring reptiles endemic to this country, that we are allowed to keep. Quote:
Originally Posted by jack  make them more strict |
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11-Apr-08, 05:44 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | The only thing the current laws do is to support the healthy black market. If import/export was bought out from under the table the results and effectivenes of standards could be more easily monitored. I think it should be difficult to import but not so difficult as to drive it underground. As for exports I have no problem. I would rather utilise a resource rather than destroy it. Look at cockies. The government would prefer to see them poisoned rather than exported. Cant see the logic in that.
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11-Apr-08, 05:57 PM
|  | Friend of huey Subscriber | | | | | How would making it legal prevent what 's going on.? It would just make poaching even more common.
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11-Apr-08, 06:11 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | If there was a legal way of importing or exporting reptiles it would be worth the risk of doing it illegally as the costs should be much the same. By poaching I presume you mean wild capture, again why bother if theres a legal way of obtaining and exporting /importing animals.Most import and export protocols require blood sampling as part of the protocol which would provide an opportunity to check origins via dna etc if necessary.
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11-Apr-08, 07:04 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | Warwick, exactly what I have been saying for years. I'm amazed by the number of people who still think that these laws in any way stop exotics coming in or being bred in this country and it certainly doesn't in anyway keep 'pests' out of the country as was mentioned earlier.
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11-Apr-08, 07:20 PM
|  | primitively archaic Moderator | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 Gender: | | | | .....so we should just throw our hands in the air and give up then? What's the worst that could happen? Just look at all the animals that have been brought into Australia....none of them have had any adverse effect on the Australian enviroment......oh wait....
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11-Apr-08, 07:35 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: Jan-06 Location: Newcastle | | | | Greebo, We could do that or, instead we could develop meaningful protocols which guard Australias health status as we have for birds,cattle ,dogs and a miriad of other animals sucessfully.
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11-Apr-08, 07:41 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | Again exactly what I have been saying. It could just be left exactly as it is and let the current laws handle it because we all know that the laws have stopped all reptiles coming into the country. I'm certainly not saying just give up and never have but the current laws are doing nothing to stop the exotics being bred and traded.
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11-Apr-08, 08:41 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-08 Location: Mackay, QLD Age/Gender: 33 | | | | 'Anyone who has been around a while knows it is possible to get ANY species you want.' No truer words have ever been spoken. The things already being kept illegally is mind blowing and is testament that Aust. quarantine laws have failed dismally.
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12-Apr-08, 08:00 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Apr-07 Location: central coast. nsw Gender: | | | I would say that as murder is against the law, it has probably kept down the number of murderers. This thread may have a little self interest involved,heh.
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12-Apr-08, 08:04 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | Well I would be the first to say I would have exotics if legal, so I suppose from my point of view there is some self interest but can't comment for anyone els BUT as well as that the current laws obviously have little effect so maybe need looking at.
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12-Apr-08, 11:18 AM
|  | Willia6 fan Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Victoria Gender: | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by boa Well I would be the first to say I would have exotics if legal, so I suppose from my point of view there is some self interest but can't comment for anyone els BUT as well as that the current laws obviously have little effect so maybe need looking at. | Boa you yourself have admitted that you would own them if legal, and there would be plenty of people in the same boat as you, so the laws are obviously having some effect. If made legal there would be a huge increase in the number of exotics in Aus.
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12-Apr-08, 11:51 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | As I said they are having little effect, they are stopping most law abiding people keeping them, that of course doesn't stop those who don't care less about the law.
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12-Apr-08, 07:03 PM
| | Willia6 fan Subscriber | Join Date: Jun-06 Location: Victoria Gender: | | | | By "stopping most law abiding people keeping them" its having a large effect in reducing the potential number of exotics in Australia.
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12-Apr-08, 07:49 PM
|  | herp addict Subscriber | Join Date: Mar-07 Location: werribee Age/Gender: 19 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Robboito alex, i havent heard of a nationwide ban on exotic reptiles, but certain states are making laws regulating certain types of reptiles. in georgia, it is strictly illegal to possess at any time for any reason native wildlife. but in my state of alabama, which neighbors georgia , it IS legal to possess just about any native wildlife you wish. the only restrictions for reptiles in my state is that you need a permit to own exotic VENOMOUS herps. it seems that most states here are more concerned about their native wildlife than the import of exotics, but there are states who are an exception. | it only affects certain species of pythons like boas etc.
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