Breeding snakes just because

[Jacknifejimmy]

A normal bredli with a hypo parent.

Het implies the trait is controlled by one gene and breeding will have predicatable outcomes. Hypomelanism in bredli is not controlled by one gene so therefore so such thing as a het for hypo bredli.

Thank you. I just learnt something. Kinda what I'm here for!

[mo-deville]

not everyone can afford to have 'show quality' and spectacular animals...
Some like to have them because they enjoy them, want companionship, etc, etc. Just because you think it's ugly, doesn't mean that everyone else has the same opinion and standards.

why do people breed dogs or cats? or every other animal?

yeah and thats totally cool.

Higher quality animals can be expensive yes, you will have to pay $$$ if you really want it or can afford it, but not always, sometimes you can get lucky, i'v seen some pretty nice animals on here and other places that have sold for a lower price, some people can't wait and just buy the first thing that comes their way.

[KaotikJezta]

What is a higher quality animal, one that comes from generations of inbreeding to perfect a colour/pattern, or crossbred back to snakes that may or may not have a genetic fault. Might be better looking in some peoples opinion but not necessarily higher quality from a health point of view. I think it is great that people still want to breed normal coloured/patterned snakes. If everyone bred for 'quality', normal, wild looking animals would disappear from the hobby completely. Why does reptile keeping always have to be about money and status. Maybe I am naive to have thought maybe it would be different.

[mo-deville]

What is a higher quality animal, one that comes from generations of inbreeding to perfect a colour/pattern, or crossbred back to snakes that may or may not have a genetic fault. Might be better looking in some peoples opinion but not necessarily higher quality from a health point of view. I think it is great that people still want to breed normal coloured/patterned snakes. If everyone bred for 'quality', normal, wild looking animals would disappear from the hobby completely. Why does reptile keeping always have to be about money and status. Maybe I am naive to have thought maybe it would be different.

IMO "quality" doesn't have to be about the and most expensive. Out of a litter or clutch there will always be the pick of the litter which will be of "higher quality" for a start. If there is an animal that has certain colour/pattern that your personally looking for then you may have to pay more.

[VenomOOse]

Hardly any such thing as for "the love of it" these days. Early on snakes were traded within breeding circles for free. Personally I'd do just fine trading between people i know for the animals I want. And have done. Nothing wrong with breeding Coastals or the like IMHO. I was never in it to make money. Never have been. Good luck to those who choose to do so. All the power to them. Quite frankly the prospect of doing so for profit is too much of a headache for me. I prefer to keep the collection small and manageable.

[KaotikJezta]

IMO "quality" doesn't have to be about the and most expensive. Out of a litter or clutch there will always be the pick of the litter which will be of "higher quality" for a start. If there is an animal that has certain colour/pattern that your personally looking for then you may have to pay more.

Well, I will never get the snake I really want as it is, with any luck, frolicking free in the coastal bush of Urunga, NSW. It is a wild black and white coastal that adopted us for a few weeks when I was living out bush. I can honestly say it is the most stunning snake I have ever seen and I have not seen one that comes anywhere close to it in captivity. I feel privileged that it chose to spend a few weeks with us on its travels.

[bk201]

Sad days, many of the smaller skinks you simply cannot get on license because they would not sell for much. Some people would see these as "disposable" reptiles but others like myself would almost kill to be able to keep some of these species that are simply not available because they wont make breeders money. Prices limit reptile keeping, those deemed worthless eventually stop being available.

[mo-deville]

I'm trying to create my ideal snakes from the stock I have... bound to be some by product as I go along. Unfortunately If I have to sell them for $100 or less so be it, possibly even give them away or trades for snakey food or husbandry equipment if it gets that bad. Nothing I can do about the market unfortunately....

how about laccie? good excuse to keep one red i don't know vic laws tho.

[Red-Ink]

how about laccie? good excuse to keep one red i don't know vic laws tho.

It's crossed my mind once or twice mate , don't have the funds or the room though to build a nice outdoor enclosure for it. Heck don't even have room for BHPs... Yeah we can keep lacies here with no probs, just on the advance licence which I already have.

[Frozenmouse]

My collection runs at a huge profit because i choose my species wisely . This does not mean i make a living from it . But as far as how much i make and how much they cost they are in the black buy miles.

[Serpentaria]

Even though I still classify myself as just an owner with snakes, I am looking into informaiton and asking questions to help aid the care and husbandry of my animals. Some of my purchases have been selective, some have not. I'm already preparing myself for any future breeding by getting the right equipment and such for any projects, but right now my collection of animals is a mixed one with an assortment of some ideas here and there for possible projects, but nothing solid. I have 2 or 3 females almost at breeding age yet I have no males for them, i.e. My Wenlock Jungle, HY Diamond and semi striped Coastal, because I cannot find the right males for them, or have not as yet or may never do so.

If I am wanting to experiment and learn, I may have to cross them with my first male at breeding age which will be an SXR Gammon intergrade. Many will disagree about it. Most probably will not buy the crosses. Am I wanting to do it for the money? No. So how else am I going to get experience? Wait 30 years to find the perfect pure mates for my females? I doubt it. The only way I see myself learning is getting hands on experience in the hobby, possibly ending up with animals, as I said, that no one would possibly want. Seriously I don't know anyone who would want a Gammon crossed with one of the three females I have anyway.

But its not my intention to flood any markets with less quality animals, i.e. crosses (some though are very good quality and very pretty animals), there are others out there like me, novices and pros alike who experiment and learn and the market ends up with all sorts of things, not just pures. I reckon that in the end we can only blame ourselves there for the love of the hobby. But then that does not explain the snake farmers who are just breeding for the money and not the love of the hobby.

[Darlyn]

Pretty sure the snake will behave like a snake regardless of how much it cost.
The more snakes on the market, the more people can experience the pleasure of owning one.
Unfortunately some that remain unwanted will be culled, this already occurs in the industry anyway.
Also some owners will put little effort into their "new pet" because they see it as little worth, this also occurs already.

[KaotikJezta]

Even though I still classify myself as just an owner with snakes, I am looking into informaiton and asking questions to help aid the care and husbandry of my animals. Some of my purchases have been selective, some have not. I'm already preparing myself for any future breeding by getting the right equipment and such for any projects, but right now my collection of animals is a mixed one with an assortment of some ideas here and there for possible projects, but nothing solid. I have 2 or 3 females almost at breeding age yet I have no males for them, i.e. My Wenlock Jungle, HY Diamond and semi striped Coastal, because I cannot find the right males for them, or have not as yet or may never do so.

If I am wanting to experiment and learn, I may have to cross them with my first male at breeding age which will be an SXR Gammon intergrade. Many will disagree about it. Most probably will not buy the crosses. Am I wanting to do it for the money? No. So how else am I going to get experience? Wait 30 years to find the perfect pure mates for my females? I doubt it. The only way I see myself learning is getting hands on experience in the hobby, possibly ending up with animals, as I said, that no one would possibly want. Seriously I don't know anyone who would want a Gammon crossed with one of the three females I have anyway.

But its not my intention to flood any markets with less quality animals, i.e. crosses (some though are very good quality and very pretty animals), there are others out there like me, novices and pros alike who experiment and learn and the market ends up with all sorts of things, not just pures. I reckon that in the end we can only blame ourselves there for the love of the hobby. But then that does not explain the snake farmers who are just breeding for the money and not the love of the hobby.

By Gammon Ranges integrade do you mean Gammon Ranges carpet that they can't decide whether to classify as imbricata or Murray Darling, if so why on earth would you cross it with any of your other snakes. It is considered a conservation species due to it's extremely limited wild range. I have a trio of them and they are beautiful snakes, please don't cross them, that is not learning amd you yourself have already said no-one will want them so what will you do with these crosses, How hard can it be to get pure mates for the females you have mentioned it is not like any of them are rare? Throwing 2 different species of snake together just for the hands on experience is just irresponsible.

[junglepython2]

Even though I still classify myself as just an owner with snakes, I am looking into informaiton and asking questions to help aid the care and husbandry of my animals. Some of my purchases have been selective, some have not. I'm already preparing myself for any future breeding by getting the right equipment and such for any projects, but right now my collection of animals is a mixed one with an assortment of some ideas here and there for possible projects, but nothing solid. I have 2 or 3 females almost at breeding age yet I have no males for them, i.e. My Wenlock Jungle, HY Diamond and semi striped Coastal, because I cannot find the right males for them, or have not as yet or may never do so.

If I am wanting to experiment and learn, I may have to cross them with my first male at breeding age which will be an SXR Gammon intergrade. Many will disagree about it. Most probably will not buy the crosses. Am I wanting to do it for the money? No. So how else am I going to get experience? Wait 30 years to find the perfect pure mates for my females? I doubt it. The only way I see myself learning is getting hands on experience in the hobby, possibly ending up with animals, as I said, that no one would possibly want. Seriously I don't know anyone who would want a Gammon crossed with one of the three females I have anyway.

But its not my intention to flood any markets with less quality animals, i.e. crosses (some though are very good quality and very pretty animals), there are others out there like me, novices and pros alike who experiment and learn and the market ends up with all sorts of things, not just pures. I reckon that in the end we can only blame ourselves there for the love of the hobby. But then that does not explain the snake farmers who are just breeding for the money and not the love of the hobby.

At least someone who breeds for money generaly wisely chooses there breeding stock and creates offpsring that can be moved on. Much better then pumping out dozens of mongrels with no forethought just for the 'experience'

[Serpentaria]

At least someone who breeds for money generaly wisely chooses there breeding stock and creates offpsring that can be moved on. Much better then pumping out dozens of mongrels with no forethought just for the 'experience'

Never said I was actually going to do anything you know, those are just ideas. Ideas can be changes or evolved. People who breed for money shouldn't even be allowed to have the animals. Not all of them are wise and nor can you prove it either.