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11-Mar-08, 05:11 PM
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i have seen both newts and salamanders for sale, in fact i was in a pet shop yesterday that was selling them... and for a lot less than $200!
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11-Mar-08, 05:12 PM
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does it hurt for them to morph? Quote:
Originally Posted by Trousa_Snake  Its an axolotal. poor thing  | |
11-Mar-08, 05:17 PM
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i need someone to tell me what they were not another legallity or morality thread. there is 2 or 3 of those already. does anyone know for sure or can you not tell if they are morphed or true?
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11-Mar-08, 05:19 PM
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soz ewan im not trying to turn it into morality, just curious. never even heard of axolotls morphing!
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11-Mar-08, 05:21 PM
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no no i wasnt accusing anyone in particular.
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11-Mar-08, 05:24 PM
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Guys grow up. Axolotls naturally morph into salamanders in the wild. In their natural habitat there is a mineral/chemical/salt that causes them to morph. In other water it isn't possible, hence the reason for axolotls maturing and breeding.
I'm guessing they are morphed axolotls.
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11-Mar-08, 05:27 PM
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they look like black turds
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11-Mar-08, 05:56 PM
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mcloughlin2 i was under the same impression. i guess reading all the other threads and having people reply to my for sale add asking if they are morphed axies or true sallies i got myself confused.
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11-Mar-08, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by arbok does it hurt for them to morph? |
doult it , they have evolved to stay in the larval form , but can morf if you stuff with them ( got nothing to do with how much water they live in  )
google them  http://www.axolotl.org/
walkin slugs... haha
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11-Mar-08, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by mcloughlin2 Guys grow up. Axolotls naturally morph into salamanders in the wild. In their natural habitat there is a mineral/chemical/salt that causes them to morph. In other water it isn't possible, hence the reason for axolotls maturing and breeding.
I'm guessing they are morphed axolotls. | Think you need to do a little more research before taking the high ground.
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11-Mar-08, 10:53 PM
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i like them, how big are they?
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11-Mar-08, 10:58 PM
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12-Mar-08, 05:13 PM
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They are about 5 or 6 inches long.
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13-Mar-08, 05:50 PM
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It's a metamorphosed Axolotl, and yes, these do very much count as true salamanders. Axolotls don't metamorphose in the wild. The ability to reproduce as a sexually precocious larvae evolved (devolved?) as a way to speed up reproduction and avoid an unnecessary reliance on dry land. It is extremely rare for Axolotls to spontaneously metamorphose in captivity, but using hormones it's pretty easily induced. Most people do it in a bad way (I'm not going to describe good and bad methods for risk of encouraging people to do it) and the metamorphosed animals typically have poor health and don't live for long. If done properly they can be healthier and live longer, but still won't thrive as well as natural neotenic larvae. The salamanders are also pretty boring pets compared to the natural type.
Axolotls are legal to keep and breed in Australia. Not so long ago you could keep other amphibians, but Axolotls are now the only one.
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10-Apr-08, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by mcloughlin2 Guys grow up. Axolotls naturally morph into salamanders in the wild. In their natural habitat there is a mineral/chemical/salt that causes them to morph. In other water it isn't possible, hence the reason for axolotls maturing and breeding. | Noo.. Axolotls are neotenic salamanders - they attain sexual maturity in a quasi-larval form, eliminating the need to metamorphose into terrestrial salamanders.. Physiologically, however they could in theory be capable of doing so, but the fact is they already have 2 pseudo-larval stages when the paired appendages grow.. and adding another stage isn't in their nature.
As Sdaji said, hormones might do the trick, but it'd be pretty much like pumping high oestrogen levels into a man - pretty stressful for the system, and just not natural! Quote:
Originally Posted by Sdaji Axolotls are legal to keep and breed in Australia. Not so long ago you could keep other amphibians, but Axolotls are now the only one. | And frogs of course 
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