Salamanders

[snakeman112]

Originally Posted by Ewan

i need someone to tell me what they were not another legallity or morality thread. there is 2 or 3 of those already. does anyone know for sure or can you not tell if they are morphed or true?

it is a Morphed you can tell by the Pics cecause there is a Left over gill On it

[nickvelez]

how big are they Ewan?
morphosed axolotls would be much larger than alpine salamanders. plumper individuals may well be females. mature males would have larger swollen cloacae than females(vent area)
heres a link to some pictures of the alpine salamander
http://www.herp.it/SpeciesPages/SalamAtra.htm

looking at some pics of the Santa Cruz Black Salamander, they appear to be more long bodied than your girls.

[Ewan]

Hi guys thanks for joining the thread and helping me out. Nickvelez they are approx 20cm long and are both female (no swollen vent). I have had many equiries about them but still no takers.

[Ewan]

Hi guys thanks for joining the thread and helping me out. Nickvelez they are approx 20cm long and are both female (no swollen vent). I have had many equiries about them but still no takers.

[pike1]

Originally Posted by Miss B

I dunno about that, W.T.BUY. I'm pretty sure it's also illegal to force Axolotls to morph.

Morphed Axo's aren't true Salamanders, anyway.

There have been plenty of these for sale in QLD,Miss B, what makes you think axolotls aren't true salamanders????

[snakkko]

wat r the difference between salamanders and lizards. yes i know....stupid question

[boa]

Salamanders are amphibians like frogs, lizards are of course reptiles.

[Kirby]

i read up on morphng them a while ago. they explained a very stressful method of lowering water etc. which eventually kills most individuals.

if pet shops are selling morphed individuls in multple amounts, i would assume hormones are used..

if it is infact true that naturally they can morph.. then why would is be so harmful to allow them to do so with the help of hormones etc. that apparently occur naturally.

ive kept axo's before, but the salamander moprh looks much more fun. they do still swim and live in moist habitats. i would be left gobsmacked to see how gills turn into lungs tho..

[Kirby]

[AlexB]

I have bred axolotls by the bucket load, cool creatures

BUT it is not stressful for them to metamorphosis some just choose to do it and can even start to change but dont complete the morph and just change back.

Usually they morph when the salts in the water get high this causes the axolotl's thyroid to produce higher levels of thyroxine which will induce metamorphosis. i kept mine in a bath outside and when i went away some times the water would evaporate to about 6 inches and id usualy come home to a salamander

This can also be achieved by adding the CORRECT amount iodine to the water, Not medical iodine BUT Iodine used in SW aquariums. Tthere is no real need to do this though spawning them as salamanders is alot harder and they produce less eggs.

[Hooglabah]

found a thing on wikipedia that explains all about axolotls heres the link for you perusing pleasure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axolotl

[Timotei]

Originally Posted by AlexB

I have bred axolotls by the bucket load, cool creatures

BUT it is not stressful for them to metamorphosis some just choose to do it and can even start to change but dont complete the morph and just change back.

Usually they morph when the salts in the water get high this causes the axolotl's thyroid to produce higher levels of thyroxine which will induce metamorphosis. i kept mine in a bath outside and when i went away some times the water would evaporate to about 6 inches and id usualy come home to a salamander

This can also be achieved by adding the CORRECT amount iodine to the water, Not medical iodine BUT Iodine used in SW aquariums. Tthere is no real need to do this though spawning them as salamanders is alot harder and they produce less eggs.

Iodine seems risky to me, could bust the thyroid if you added too much.