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02-Jun-05, 09:50 AM
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02-Jun-05, 10:23 AM
|  | Sponsor | Join Date: May-04 Location: Melbourne | | | Basically you have to breed them together and if some of the offspring show the trait then you bred two hets. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Skorpious So how do you tell apart the double hets hehe
well i have gained a bit more respect in starting morphs and the amount of time it takes. |
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02-Jun-05, 10:52 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | My next project is going to be a 2 headed granite albino, I have everything except an albino with 2 heads and of course the granite but you have to start somewhere.
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02-Jun-05, 10:56 AM
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02-Jun-05, 12:25 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Sunbury, Vic | | | | I told you my head hurt!!
It is so amazingly involved!! But the rewards are so great that it makes you want to start buying up big and playing around. It's just all of the genetics that start getting confusing with the whole 'double het crossed with a {blah}' lol!! but INCREDIBLE! |
02-Jun-05, 12:52 PM
|  | Regular Member | | | | | this is a quote from someone who wrote it so small that I had to copy and enlarge it to read it......
Disclaimer: I disagree with the use of the term 'albino' in this context, and only use it here for the sake of simplicity.
I don't understand what you mean by that, what context do you agree with the use of the term albino in??
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02-Jun-05, 01:17 PM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | | Amelanistic then...
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03-Jun-05, 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by BROWNS Amelanistic then... | Correct, but as I said, I used 'albino' for the sake of simplicity. Everyone else had been using the term in this thread up to that point. Didn't want to confuse the newbies or start another major debate about correct terminology. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Skorpius So how do you tell apart the double hets hehe
well i have gained a bit more respect in starting morphs and the amount of time it takes. | That's when the fun begins. You need to breed them with a homozygous mutation (one showing the trait).
For example: If you want to know if that normal looking hatchling was het for 'albino', you would need to grow it up to breeding age and pair it with an 'albino'. If it is a het, half the offspring will be 'albino' and the other half will be normal-looking, but hets.
This works for all autosomally recessive mutations. I haven't heard of any sex-linked mutations in snakes - does anyone know if there are any? 
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03-Jun-05, 08:08 AM
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with 2 heads and of course the granite but you have to start somewhere.
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We have a Granite mine near our place, if you like I can go get you some and send it to you Boa. :roll: :wink: |
03-Jun-05, 12:05 PM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-03 Location: NTH QLD | | | Albinisim or Amelanistic is straight forward mendelian genetics and very predictable.What interests me is say crossing albinos which is a recessive trait with a co dominant or double dominant striped trait or gene...
I'm sure i have had a post i wrote removed from this thread.Anyway i still reckon that with the limited gene pool of bhp's overseas as well as their high price"twice the price of womas" that a wild caught albino was involved and that someone didn't just happen to have 2 unknown or unrelated hets that produced the albino bhp's.All albinos originate from the wild and there had to be a founder albino bhp somewhere along the line.Who would say that the albino bhp's came from a known albino bhp anyway.Also we have been breeding bhp's in big numbers here and this is Oz where the gene had to originate from yet nobody to date has produced an albino anything that i know of from a serendipitous breeding and all came from wild caught specimens originally,please correct me if i'm wrong.
Not reptile related but extremely interesting and bizzare is i watched a doco where a half albino half normal"perfect halves" as well as male and female"hermophradite" lobster was dragged from the ocean in a net,now the genetics of something like that with reptiles would be truly amazing and i'd actually hate to see it happen but preety interesting nonetheless 
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03-Jun-05, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BROWNS
Not reptile related but extremely interesting and bizzare is i watched a doco where a half albino half normal"perfect halves" as well as male and female"hermophradite" lobster was dragged from the ocean in a net,now the genetics of something like that with reptiles would be truly amazing and i'd actually hate to see it happen but preety interesting nonetheless | I've been told that there's a breeder in Sydney who has Fischer's Lovebirds that are half 'n' half, and I've seen an hermaphroditic Swamp Wallaby at Macquarie University.
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03-Jun-05, 01:41 PM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Feb-05 Location: Bairnsdale, Victoria Age: 24 | | | | Albinos have to start somewhere tho Browns, although i think its a slim chance, it is always a possibility that those two were just a freak of nature.
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03-Jun-05, 01:56 PM
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Albinos have to start somewhere tho Browns
| Correct,exactly what i'm saying and of all the known albinos originate from wild caught specimens.Does anyone else have any info that shows otherwise that albino pythons for example have come from a completely unknown pair of animals carrying the gene?I know this happens with rodents for example quite often but they aren't reptiles and a similar story would apply to them to if you could actually trace the bloodlines?
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03-Jun-05, 02:03 PM
| | Sponsor | Join Date: May-04 Location: Melbourne | | | | A limited gene pool is a fertile situation for the recessive genes to express themselves.
It is not like you can pick up a normal looking animal from the wild or anywhere and easily tell if it is carrying any given recessive trait!
If there were albino black heades in Australia and one suddenly showed up overseas then then I think your argument would have some weight but as it stands, IMHO, it is just another conspiracy theory.
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03-Jun-05, 02:27 PM
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A limited gene pool is a fertile situation for the recessive genes to express themselves.
| True, inbreeding can lead to mutations although i've never heard of inbreeding resulting in albinism.That's not to say it hasn't happened but i've not heard of it in reptiles. Quote: |
If there were albino black heades in Australia and one suddenly showed up overseas then then I think your argument would have some weight but as it stands, IMHO, it is just another conspiracy theory.
| Again that's exactly what i'm saying.There has already been albino bhp's in Australia,i have proof more solid than most on this i believe, and the snow or all white phase of albinism can produce the white and yellow type or tyrosinaise negative which can also express reds and pinks etc in all different shades.
I sat next to this animal at school for 2 years nearly every day as well as fed it and i have been in touch with the school i went to regarding the albino bhp which they knew nothing about.At the time i loved reptiles but never realised the significance of this animal till many many years later.I have told a few people here and there the same story and i'm sure most didn't believe me but here it is,pics or it didn't happen!!!  
No conspiracy theory,i'm just finding it extremely difficult to believe otherwise and so far the my arguement has more weight than any other.
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