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25-Feb-07, 04:01 PM
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This is also very true
The amount of times we get called out for cat or dog inflicted injuries on wildlife and also the one that are blamed on the dog which has obviously been done by some hero with a shovel.
As previously stated if we do check road kill for babies and remove it from our roads to save further fatalities to our other native wildlife and pick up cans, bottles , plastics and other rubbish dumped by careless people we all will make a difference.
Unfortunately I dont think their is a lot we can do about the clearing of areas for human growth Because this a greed filled world we live in todayand to many dont want to make allowances for for the other creatures that inhabit the earth.
If people like us all chip in may be one day people will start listening and we will make a difference for all wildlife by trying to look after planet instead of exploiting it.
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25-Feb-07, 04:11 PM
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It is very encouraging to see their are a lot of passionate people on this site that dont give up and do their best to save the environment and its wildlife no matter how hard the task may be.
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25-Feb-07, 04:12 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: melbourne australia Age: 45 | | | |
go for a drive and see how many acres of grapes etc are covered by bird net.it is on the ground and acting as a net for all herps that enter..kms of the crap.i hate to think of all the bodies of animals that are in them at the end of a summer..i would like to see a major change in the way its used .i would be very interested in doing anything i can to achieve this if its at all feasable..
all the vinyards on the peninsula have my number but none of them call..why should they,the snake will be dead in a couple of days..i even told some that i would remove live animals from the net for free..still waiting for the calls
time for change i reckon
baz
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25-Feb-07, 04:20 PM
|  | Seller | Join Date: May-06 Location: Brizzy Age/Gender: 30  | | | |
Your right baz, and it's actually the native bats that are most affected by bird netting being incorrectly erected. if it is stretched tight, bats will aviod it, as will birds, but if it follows any contours of the tree-bush-vine, they can't and will get trapped while trying to get some dinner. i'm sure the reps also go into the vines for food and have the same problem, and the soloution would be the same. it would be hard for a snake to get entangled in the net if it were installed correctly, again it comes down to education.
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25-Feb-07, 04:26 PM
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I to sssnakeman offer to remove them for free but if somebody doesnt mention this how else will it come to the attention of others.
It needs the attention of wildlife carers snake catchers and animal lovers in general to get the message out there.
Like I stated earlier people dont really consider the damage that humans have on the environment until they see it first hand whether it be discarded rubbish on roadside poisons or bird netting
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25-Feb-07, 04:30 PM
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We have a display up at the daisy hill koala reserve, where wildcare aust is based in briz, showing the right way to erect netting, and also showing the consequences of not doing it properly, but so much more needs to be done.
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25-Feb-07, 04:42 PM
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I assume this netting for strawberrys and the like you mention is spread over the plants on the ground, at ground level its bound to catch things like blueies.
A vialble alternative might simply be to encourage indoor culture of those plants,atleast for home gardners. barring that perhaps raising the netting on stakes a foot or so above the ground
and decorating the top with bright reflective stuff like xmas tinsel might deter most birds and save a few ground dwelling herps.
wind driven noise makers may also help deter birds. Im sure there lots of creative ideas homeowners can come up with to solve this problem, if:
A: they know about it in the first place
B: they care
You could perhaps contribute such ideas and encourage others likewise ,to various websites / publications of wildlife resuers, gardening magazines etc . write to televised shows like gardening australia & DR harry with your ideas.
If your not part of the solution your part of the problem.
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25-Feb-07, 04:43 PM
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Baz you are a legend! I have lived on the MP for most of my life (now in CBD) and my parents still live there (Tootgarook). Unfortunately most residents in that region know that the only snakes found in that area are potentially life threatening (tigers and browns). IMO the majority would prefer to 'rid' the region of snakes altogether. In fact i would go as far to say that the average vineyard/fruit farmer would prefer to KILL the snake than have it removed and relocated to a more satisfactory environment. Personally i don't think you'd receive that many calls when the shovel is close at hand  There should be more guys like you out there  It almost brings me to tears thinking of all the people in that region reaching for an axe rather that the phone | 
25-Feb-07, 04:45 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: melbourne australia Age: 45 | | | |
Have you got a link pythoness?
i think if we email or snailmail some of the farmers who need to be spoken to with the instuctions,and some graphic pics of what birdnetting can do.
Unfortunatly i have a lot of these pics,for the last 4 years ive photographed all the birdnet snakes and bluies.
ive posted only a small percentage of them here as people didnt appreciate the graphic content.
All the larger farms have websites or at least email addresses where we could at least let them know what damage theyre doing.i dont think we have a lot of a chance politically,but to try to reason with them may work..
if that dosnt work,
go for the throat,eg.media,petition, etc
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25-Feb-07, 04:55 PM
|  | Seller | Join Date: May-06 Location: Brizzy Age/Gender: 30  | | | http://www.wildcare.org.au/
With my pleasure snakeman. i can also get pamphlets next time i go up there, but the cost of distributing this material is one area we are not funded for, and all our work is done by volounteers and fuled by donations.
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25-Feb-07, 04:58 PM
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Good onya ssssnakeman  would love to get some elapid handling experience from you or anyone, i would like to become proficient in handling and relocating 'unwanted' herps from the MP and even SE to metro areas... I am an idiot AND WOULD DO IT ANYWAY for a friend or person in need, and probably put myself at risk... but i wouldn't hesitate to save the life of a snake over knowing that it was going to get a shovel over the head. Don't get me wrong i am not a complete imbecile... I grew up hunting/fishing in some of Vics roughest areas and have had to relocate Tigers&Browns from our lodging more than once. But further practice would be good and my passion is ultimately with reptiles...
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25-Feb-07, 05:11 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-05 Location: melbourne australia Age: 45 | | | |
pythoness, i cant find the birdnet instructions on your site,which is looking great by the way.
Jessop,if your in the area when i get a call your welcome to come as an observer for sure.
When you have a large or even a small venomous snake stuck in a net on 40% day it can be very dangerous.I wondered the other day how a situation like this can be "taught" at a handling course.
,by the way, there are no brown snakes psuedonaja sp on the peninsula,this is the punters name for the copperhead.
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25-Feb-07, 06:19 PM
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ok, sorry should ahve been more specific, it's on the flying fox page. http://www.wildcare.org.au/html/flying_foxes.htm
And it's not my site, i'm just a carer for wildcare, so can't take any credit for that one
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25-Feb-07, 07:19 PM
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I assume this netting for strawberrys and the like you mention is spread over the plants on the ground, at ground level its bound to catch things like blueies.
| ok, so i went for drive and took some pics.on the mp we have lots of vinyards and thats not a bad thing,if you drink wine, but anyway its just this damn netting and the way its used that is so tragic.
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25-Feb-07, 07:26 PM
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yeah hate seeing that kind os thing happen to reptiles
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