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04-Nov-05, 08:29 AM
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I just think the whole thing is a bit of a crock. I wouldn't shell out 2k for a Woma and I'd be absolutely fasinated if anyone truly has spent even that on a single snake! In all honesty.
GTP's in my very own humble opinion are like buying diamonds from a jewellery shop. Sure they are all valued at astronomical amounts because of their 'rarity', but nobody, except the extremely guilible, or very rich, would ever pay that for them!
I hear so much talk on here in recent times of 'Sure I'd buy 2 for that price!' and, if I had a spare 5k I'd buy one tomorrow. What a CROCK! lol When push came to shove, nobody in their right mind would would pay what is being asked for one of these animals, and if they did, I'd love to see it! Just so I could have a good old laugh about it, because it's called 'getting ripped!'.
It's like walzing into a car yard and paying top dollar without negotiating the price, nobody would do it.
So when you're talking syndicates, that's fine, but when it comes to sell the stock that is 'hopefully' produced, are you planning on selling them on to???... another syndicate???
I'd just like to say however, I don't mean any nastiness or unpleasantries towards those who have bred these snakes, and I wish you every luck in selling them. I have heard on many occasions that Chondros sell like wildfire as soon as they hit the market, but I haven't met a single solitary person who has bought one for the prices mentioned. I've heard of many stories of people getting them for 'mates rates' and 'bargin prices' because of "people they knew" ,but I'm yet to see the proof these animals sell, even for 5 grand. I'm well and truly prepared to eat humble pie though!
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04-Nov-05, 08:41 AM
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planning on selling them on to???... another syndicate???
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04-Nov-05, 09:52 AM
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does anyone know if some have been bought yet?Thanks
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04-Nov-05, 10:14 AM
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A good plan, but there is no way Id let any of my animals reside at a reptile park, no offence to anyone that owns, manages or works at one, but because of the number of differnt animals and the people flow, zoos dont have a very good record when it comes to long liverty. Mite and disease seem to be more common and alot harder to control at zoos because of this.
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04-Nov-05, 12:51 PM
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I was thinking it but didnt want to say it Rob.
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04-Nov-05, 12:52 PM
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Yes GTP's especially seem to have a habit of 'dying' in zoo's.
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04-Nov-05, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by The Rock A good plan, but there is no way Id let any of my animals reside at a reptile park, no offence to anyone that owns, manages or works at one, but because of the number of differnt animals and the people flow, zoos dont have a very good record when it comes to long liverty. Mite and disease seem to be more common and alot harder to control at zoos because of this. | The one adult i saw on display last year at ARP was in a corner on the bottom of its cage and didnt appear right and when it moved its head about it had little tremors,i thought it may have been too hot but who knows,itsw just a company snake anyway.If it snuffed it the shareholders would have to get another  Didnt you start with one GTP rock? if i bought one ide like to keep it and enjoy it,worry about breeding partners later | 
04-Nov-05, 01:57 PM
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04-Nov-05, 02:58 PM
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I just think the whole thing is a bit of a crock. I wouldn't shell out 2k for a Woma and I'd be absolutely fasinated if anyone truly has spent even that on a single snake! In all honesty.
GTP's in my very own humble opinion are like buying diamonds from a jewellery shop. Sure they are all valued at astronomical amounts because of their 'rarity', but nobody, except the extremely guilible, or very rich, would ever pay that for them!
I hear so much talk on here in recent times of 'Sure I'd buy 2 for that price!' and, if I had a spare 5k I'd buy one tomorrow. What a CROCK! lol When push came to shove, nobody in their right mind would would pay what is being asked for one of these animals, and if they did, I'd love to see it! Just so I could have a good old laugh about it, because it's called 'getting ripped!'.
It's like walzing into a car yard and paying top dollar without negotiating the price, nobody would do it.
So when you're talking syndicates, that's fine, but when it comes to sell the stock that is 'hopefully' produced, are you planning on selling them on to???... another syndicate???
I'd just like to say however, I don't mean any nastiness or unpleasantries towards those who have bred these snakes, and I wish you every luck in selling them. I have heard on many occasions that Chondros sell like wildfire as soon as they hit the market, but I haven't met a single solitary person who has bought one for the prices mentioned. I've heard of many stories of people getting them for 'mates rates' and 'bargin prices' because of "people they knew" ,but I'm yet to see the proof these animals sell, even for 5 grand. I'm well and truly prepared to eat humble pie though!
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Moosenoose,
Did you put any thought into that load of rubbish you just wrote? So you honestly think that no snake has ever sold for more than a few hundred dollars, that all the womas and green pythons that have ever been advertised have never actually sold for the money that was being asked? Either your having yourself on or have no idea the way the marketplace operates. What about motor cars or anything else of value, by your logic every car advertised in the paper would never sell, there is just some conspiracy to keep car prices artificially high by everyone advertising them for two or three times what they are worth.
Why don't you ring Tim Mensforth I'm sure he can confirm he has actually sold one or two green pythons for the asking price, without secretly slashing the price down to a few hundred dollar just so he doesn't get stuck with them.
I'm the first to agree the price is very high, but what you think might be an absurd price alot of others obviously don't as they are still selling like hot cakes!
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04-Nov-05, 04:07 PM
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[quote="Splitmore"] Quote:
Moosenoose,
Did you put any thought into that load of rubbish you just wrote? So you honestly think that no snake has ever sold for more than a few hundred dollars, that all the womas and green pythons that have ever been advertised have never actually sold for the money that was being asked? Either your having yourself on or have no idea the way the marketplace operates. What about motor cars or anything else of value, by your logic every car advertised in the paper would never sell, there is just some conspiracy to keep car prices artificially high by everyone advertising them for two or three times what they are worth.
Why don't you ring Tim Mensforth I'm sure he can confirm he has actually sold one or two green pythons for the asking price, without secretly slashing the price down to a few hundred dollar just so he doesn't get stuck with them.
I'm the first to agree the price is very high, but what you think might be an absurd price alot of others obviously don't as they are still selling like hot cakes!
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Hahaha Hop off the high horse Splitty ol boy! lol Did I say they would be sold for a couple of hundred dollars???
There is a big difference between a couple of hundred bucks, 1000 bucks, 5000 bucks and now 9800 bucks I'm afraid to inform you lol I have never stated anywhere that GTP’s are worth a few hundred dollars lol
I can't see them selling a stack of these animals that are "supposedly" selling like wildfire! lol And as far as the car conspiracy bit, if you've bought a car for its advertised price off the showroom floor you are indeed a fool Splitmore!  I don't doubt URS has sold a couple of these animals, and all the very best to him in his efforts to sell the rest of them for the prices he wants or perhaps rightly deserves (I have no qualm with that at all), but to think they are running out the door by the buckload and that you’d want to get in quick to get one, is just plain farcical lol
PS: If you do rush out and buy one Splitmore, don’t give it any hides!! Damned if you’d want to spend 5+k on something that hid in its pot all day long hehehe
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04-Nov-05, 04:11 PM
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I think that moose is going to parachute into the iron rage splitty  If Tim Mensforth has any of these two hundred dollar GTPS lying around at URS zulu will take them off of his hands and give them a good home LOLZ  yeh its range not rage .
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04-Nov-05, 04:14 PM
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Jonno,
This is a good idea. 8 years ago, when URS first purchased 6 GTP's from a breeder, we did not have the funds at that stage to do so ourselves.
We contacted a large number of keepers around Australia and asked if they would like to be in a syndicate. We could understand a lot said NO due to the high risk. The deal we put forward was for some people to put forward money to us and when and if we bred them they would get 2 hatchling GTP in return. Yes this was a big risk on their part as well as ours if they all died we would all be out of money.
But it was successful and these people that took the risk now have adult GTP's and thanks to the people that helped us we all so have now bred lots and sold quite a large number of these.
As for the ones that we have bred this season we have now only got about 5 left to sell. None were discount and none will be discount.
Best regards tim www.ultimatereptiles.com.au | 
04-Nov-05, 04:14 PM
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Where is this two hundred dollars coming from??  *Packs Parachute*
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04-Nov-05, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by URS
As for the ones that we have bred this season we have now only got about 5 left to sell. None were discount and none will be discount.
Best regards tim www.ultimatereptiles.com.au | Okay, from the horses mouth  Fair enough  Thanks Tim.
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04-Nov-05, 04:24 PM
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Okay, from the horses mouth :D Fair enough :D Thanks Tim.[/quote]
No worry's, all you have to do is ask, drop an email or pick the phone up.
Regards tim www.ultimatereptiles.com.au |  | | |