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04-May-08, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris89  I thought this was interesting/odd due to the fact that the majority of the products had corn snakes, ball pythons and boas on them - Plus exotic species of frogs, lizards, geckos etc etc. I would of thought that they would have Australian Reptiles on the covers of their products, however I think it might be because the products are manufactured over seas? | Really!!! are you sure about that!!!!  |
05-May-08, 08:07 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: New York Gender:  | | | The fact of the matter is: - Herp keeping in the US is much more developed than in Australia
- The US market is much bigger than Australia’s
- Australian restrictions is making it hard for people to go into owning or breeding snakes
- The basic requirements for corn snakes can be applied to other snakes – for example – heat, hide, substrate and guards around heating items.
Like it or not – much of modern snake husbandry was developed on non-Australian snakes. And if you want to leverage all the global knowledge – you will need to read about what others have found to work on non-Australian snakes.
Buying a book on keeping corn sakes will help a keeper better understand some requirements of their pet pythons. The Australian market is too small for a large range of books to be written on Australian snakes for the Australian market. If restrictions on keeping snakes were relaxed and a greater percent of the population kept them as pets things might change.
Colors – Currently corn snakes have some very stunning colors – but if you breed and work on your local snakes – you too will have some stunning snake patterns and colors. As I pointed out before Australian snake keeping is still in its infancy compared to here in the US.
In relationship to Herp products – most Australian herp products (A small range) are mainly imported from the US and are still sold with the US packaging. Changing the packaging will increase the cost of keeping your pet snake.  |
05-May-08, 08:24 AM
|  | Necker Cube Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: NSW | | | | From the perspective of housing, heating, lighting and photo period I would be interested in what differences there are between keeping Colubrids and keeping pythons, not much. Should we request that Mike Swan and Andrew Isles take a black marker to the 'Popular Monitors and Tegus" book removing all references to non-australian species??
You can learn something from ALL keeping references, regardless of the species focussed on. In fact the best general python husbandry book (in my opinion) available on the market today is Dave Barker's book on Ball Pythons. |
05-May-08, 08:30 AM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-08 Location: Sydney Gender: | | | | Yeah I saw that book too, and was a little surprised. I mean yeah sure, maybe its just for 'educational' purposes, but why sell it at an expo where it will be exposed to SO many people that may only just be getting into snakes and herps as a hobby? These people would probably have no idea that corn snakes are illegal. Leave it on the shelf in a pet or book store for people to find it if they want it. I dont think they should have had it on display at a native animal expo. |
05-May-08, 08:45 AM
|  | Space Cowboy Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Sydney Gender:  | | | These are some of the most ludicrous posts I have ever heard...
Should 'Zoomed' products be removed from the shelves because they have a photograph of an iguana on the packaging?
If people are relying on American books to understand the legalities of keeping Australian snakes then the hobby has a lot more to worry about than who sells what...
You should be more outraged at the stupidly priced and promoted products that rip new keepers off day-in an day-out from pet stores - censoring books...? There was a famous group of Germans who did that wasn't there...? What were they called again...? 
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05-May-08, 09:11 AM
| | Regular Member | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: New York Gender: | | | | Aslan - I have to agree - could not put it any better!! |
05-May-08, 11:09 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | | Yes Asian gets my vote. I was thinking of buying the new Pythons of the World book until I found out it was about Ball Pythons.
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05-May-08, 11:13 AM
| | Necker Cube Subscriber | Join Date: Feb-07 Location: NSW | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by boa Yes Asian gets my vote. I was thinking of buying the new Pythons of the World book until I found out it was about Ball Pythons. | Get it anyway, it has some fantastic info on general python biology, husbandry and diseases. The pretty pictures of all the Ball Python morphs are just the cream on top  |
05-May-08, 11:20 AM
| | Subscriber | Join Date: Dec-04 Location: Somewhere near Brisbane | | | I just don't want to be seen to be promoting exotics by purchasing such a provocative book.
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05-May-08, 11:31 AM
|  | Subscriber | Join Date: Jan-07 Location: Syd Gender: | | | | Phew ! busy morning , I've been throwing away all my Attenborough Doco's & books incase it leads to 'them' finding my arctic wolf & my collection of small Patagonian mammals. |
05-May-08, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by mini_kitty Yeah I saw that book too, and was a little surprised. I mean yeah sure, maybe its just for 'educational' purposes, but why sell it at an expo where it will be exposed to SO many people that may only just be getting into snakes and herps as a hobby? These people would probably have no idea that corn snakes are illegal. Leave it on the shelf in a pet or book store for people to find it if they want it. I dont think they should have had it on display at a native animal expo. | bahahahahaha , you and the millions of aussies better not watch in cold blod tonight just in case it temps you and the millions of viewers to get non aussie snakes .thay should leave this sort of show to the video shops and internet....bahahaha ....theres only one thing holding the hobby in australia back and thats small minds ...dont blame the goverment...
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05-May-08, 07:09 PM
| | Suspended | Join Date: Dec-07 Location: NSW, Sydney west | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by thepythonpit theres only one thing holding the hobby in australia back and thats small minds ...dont blame the goverment... | Love it.
Thats signature material there. |
05-May-08, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by amazonian Love it.
Thats signature material there. | thanks ...i think??
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05-May-08, 07:12 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Jul-07 Location: Townsville Age/Gender: 21 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Aslan These are some of the most ludicrous posts I have ever heard...
*sigh* | And that really says something in this place................... 
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05-May-08, 07:20 PM
|  | Regular Member | Join Date: Mar-06 Location: Brisbane Age/Gender: 23 | | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Miss_Croft The fact of the matter is: - Herp keeping in the US is much more developed than in Australia
- The US market is much bigger than Australia’s
- Australian restrictions is making it hard for people to go into owning or breeding snakes
- The basic requirements for corn snakes can be applied to other snakes – for example – heat, hide, substrate and guards around heating items.
Like it or not – much of modern snake husbandry was developed on non-Australian snakes. And if you want to leverage all the global knowledge – you will need to read about what others have found to work on non-Australian snakes.
Buying a book on keeping corn sakes will help a keeper better understand some requirements of their pet pythons. The Australian market is too small for a large range of books to be written on Australian snakes for the Australian market. If restrictions on keeping snakes were relaxed and a greater percent of the population kept them as pets things might change.
Colors – Currently corn snakes have some very stunning colors – but if you breed and work on your local snakes – you too will have some stunning snake patterns and colors. As I pointed out before Australian snake keeping is still in its infancy compared to here in the US.
In relationship to Herp products – most Australian herp products (A small range) are mainly imported from the US and are still sold with the US packaging. Changing the packaging will increase the cost of keeping your pet snake. | pfft whatever | | |
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