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07-Dec-07, 10:43 AM
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Who says they are picking them up from the road? What about the ones who specifically go bush to find what they want to keep? On the road, in the bush, doesn't make it ok.
I know of one fellow who hunts down gravid pythons, keeps them until they lay, then releases them, then spouts on about his fabulous breeding experience and everyone howls on about how wonderful he is. Pfffft.
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07-Dec-07, 10:47 AM
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I laughed at one of my wife’s friends the other day when she was talking about the fact that I keep snakes and how it’s depleting wild stocks – this was before I explained mine were all captive bred and that there are regulations in place blah blah blah
I said “so let me get this right, you’re out in the bush with a bunch of friends and a venomous snake crosses your path, and you….what??? Leap to its defence because 9/10 times it’ll get bludgeoned to death by the nearest he-man! P-l-e-a-s-e, gimme a break!”
If these animals are not being shovelled they are being purposely driven over by idiots in cars – not accidentally, on PURPOSE! Too bad the only ones on here copping this evil eye treatment are the ones trying to look after them. I’d like to think there is a big difference with those with one or two wild-caught animals to others who are mass collecting and trying to profit out of it.
I’m personally all for captive bred – I don’t like the idea of taking something out of its natural habitat. I mean, they like all the ticks, wild animals, drought, shovels, cars, feral cats……..  Don’t they????  (that last part is meant to be a joke  )
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07-Dec-07, 10:58 AM
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I don't agree with anyone keeping wild reps, at least with the legal WC animals they are permited and the numbers taken are allocated. (And I think that the occasional fresh blood into the hobby's genepool can't hurt) however If everyone "rescues" an animal that get's too close to the road and that "rescue" involves taking it home putting it into an enclosure for the remainder of it's life and denying it the chance to reproduce with other wild animals, then you may as well run it over or give it the one shovel salute. because it's not the animals welfare you really care about.....
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07-Dec-07, 11:12 AM
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" If everyone "rescues" an animal that get's too close to the road and that "rescue" involves taking it home putting it into an enclosure for the remainder of it's life and denying it the chance to reproduce with other wild animals, then you may as well run it over or give it the one shovel salute. because it's not the animals welfare you really care about....."
Don't agree there. The difference is if it is taken off the road, and taken home or whatever, it is the opposite of giving it the 'one shovel salute'. You have given it a life, albeit in a wooden box maybe, but its better than guts splattered on the road IMO.
Sure you denied it a chance to reproduce with other 'wild' animals, but the car that was about to run it over would have done the same thing.
At least you could get him/her a root albeit with a captive bred OR another wild caught.
I am not condoning it at all, but I think an alive snake is better than a dead one, in most circumstances anyway.
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07-Dec-07, 11:12 AM
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Moose Yeah let them take their chances I reckon.
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07-Dec-07, 11:16 AM
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At the end of the day, your kidding yourselves if you think that half the Jungles owned in Nth QLD aren't wild caught..
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07-Dec-07, 11:44 AM
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Who says they are picking them up from the road? What about the ones who specifically go bush to find what they want to keep? On the road, in the bush, doesn't make it ok.
I know of one fellow who hunts down gravid pythons, keeps them until they lay, then releases them, then spouts on about his fabulous breeding experience and everyone howls on about how wonderful he is. Pfffft.
| This happens to often, add gravid monitors to,
It's one of the worst types of poaching.
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07-Dec-07, 12:14 PM
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We've moved snakes away from the side of the road many a time. Fine, give them a chance, it doesn't mean it's ok to take it home and keep it. Is everyone forgetting that it's illegal? I'm gobsmacked that some people on here are saying it's ok.
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07-Dec-07, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Bouncer  We've moved snakes away from the side of the road many a time. Fine, give them a chance, it doesn't mean it's ok to take it home and keep it. Is everyone forgetting that it's illegal? I'm gobsmacked that some people on here are saying it's ok. | You moved it away from the road? What an interesting concept |
07-Dec-07, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by pugsly Here's some food for thought:
Under s101(5)(c)(i) of the National Parks and Wildlife Act
'A person shall not be convicted of an offence arising under subsection (1) in respect og the possession of any protected fauna, if the person satisfies the court:
that the animal concerned was incapable of fending for itself in its natural habitat'
SO,
This means you are basically allowed to take albino's from the wild legally because they are known to be unable to fend for themselves??
But..
You need to notify the Director-General and wait for his decision on what to do with the animal... Which meas SR gets it hahaha |
Tell us what you really think steve  the SR has had some pointed comments made about it in this and other threads lately I've noticed.
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07-Dec-07, 01:10 PM
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I've got nothing against them at all. Was a tongue in cheek comment lol.
I don't mind if John gets them, means I will get them sooner, and cheaper! hehe
Bouncer, I am not saying its ok, Im saying I don't have a problem with it. Fine line though... lol
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07-Dec-07, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by mickydrippin if you know some is getting wild caught reptiles should you report them or name and shame them on here | If it is something they do alot then i'd probably report them, if it's only once i'd let them know it's illegal and the choice is then there's to let it go or not, if they don't let it go and look after it properly and it never happens again i'd probably just keep my mouth shut... For some, chances are the novelty will ware off and they'll eventually let it go anyway... And if they keep it atleast it's still alive. And if it was someone who caught a wild one breed it with one of there's and let it go again, meh it's free again. But someone catching gravid reps and keeping the bubs i'd speak up and do something..
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07-Dec-07, 01:31 PM
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Yeah firedragon maybe it's free again, and it has taken any exotic disease with it back into the wild.
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07-Dec-07, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by johnbowemonie I think you should mind your own frigging business for starters. I do not do it personally, but i do not hold it against someone for a pulling a snake off the road and keeping it. After all the animals that get deliberately shovelled, run over, shot etc etc one person picking up a pretty little carpet python off the road is nothing in the overall scheme of things.
However, i don't like knowing of people raping the bush, taking heaps of animals then flogging off all the animals for their own financial gain. If its on the road its fair game.
Simone. | Spot on Simone.
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07-Dec-07, 01:51 PM
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If it's on the road it's fair game, Wow, I was under the impression that most people who kept native australian animals as pets, actually cared about the conservation of our unique species. The impression I am getting from a lot of members is whatever you can get away with go for it! Taking a healthy animal from the wild is wrong, plain and simple. I am not talking about the law, I am talking about our native stocks of animals. I don't want to hear 1 snake won't make a difference in the scheme of things, 50000 people can all say the same thing to justify their actions, and that's 50000 less animals in the wild. With the pressures already on our natives (introduced predators, venomous toads, and don't forget the roads with all their "fair game")
Moving an animal from the road into a safer area is helping the animal, taking the animal is helping yourself.
That's my rant, now I'm off to hug a tree....
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