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03-Apr-07, 11:20 AM
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Hi guys and gals. Im a bit new to all off this herp stuff but am as keen as mustard. Im thinking of getting a few snakes in the next year or two and want to start breeding mice to feed my snakes. My question is, What is the most humane way to kill them ?
Any help or advice would be tops and most helpful.
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03-Apr-07, 11:25 AM
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u CAN kill them fresh or freaze them
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03-Apr-07, 11:35 AM
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There are two swift, humane ways of killing a mouse. One is cervical dislocation. The other is carbon dioxide inhalation. Note that I've only read about these methods. I buy frozen feeders because I doubt that I could off a mouse.
If you want to learn how to break a mouse's neck, ask a more experienced feeder breeder to show you how it's done.
You can gas mice by using a sealed container, such as an esky with a lid. Place dry ice inside, pour on hot water, put a towel over the top, and put the lid on. The dry ice will release carbon dioxide. Let it build up for around 5-10 minutes, and then drop in your feeder/s. Do this in a well-ventilated area - high concentrations of CO2 are dangerous.
Freezing means a slow, painful death for the mouse.
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03-Apr-07, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by x_aussie_bloke_x  u CAN kill them fresh or freaze them | Freezing them is NOT a humane way.
CO2 can be used and there are plenty of threads about which CO2 method.
Also you can stretch their neck with the bench and one finger method.
IsK
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03-Apr-07, 11:37 AM
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The general rule for all animals is a quick severe blow to the head causing instant death, the easiest way to do that with a mouse is to grab its tail and whack its head on a hard surface.
You can also break their neck at the base of the skull and this kills them very quick and is considered to be humane.
As a general rule it is extremely cruel to freeze any animal to death, some say their is an exception for young pinkies but im not too sure about that.
You can also gas them with CO2 but that is fairly complicated to do right and it doesnt work well for very young rodents as they dont need to breethe much.
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03-Apr-07, 11:42 AM
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tru tru lol i freshly kill the 1s i breed
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03-Apr-07, 12:10 PM
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i've spent alot of time thinking about this and i think the snapping the neck method or bashing their heads on a bench would be the most humane, i'd hate to stuff up the chamber method, from what i've read if you put in too much gas @ once instead of a small amount to anetheise them first, then the large amount to kill them, its a pretty horrible death too.
i'm still buying from petshops though cos i'm not sure i could do that,....i need another few snakes before i can justify it.
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03-Apr-07, 12:18 PM
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Ok. well there seems to be alot of debate. To freeze or not to freeze. I'l go with the latter. The CO2 sounds like a good idea, but where do you get dry ice from ? i thought you would have to have a special licence to get somthing like dry ice in australia.
The Old grab by the tail and WHACK trick could be good, But a small pinkie could be a bit small and you might end up smashing your knuckles instead. Killing mice could become an extream sport LOL. Keep the ideas comming.
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03-Apr-07, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by the new guy Ok. well there seems to be alot of debate. To freeze or not to freeze. I'l go with the latter. The CO2 sounds like a good idea, but where do you get dry ice from ? i thought you would have to have a special licence to get somthing like dry ice in australia.
The Old grab by the tail and WHACK trick could be good, But a small pinkie could be a abit small and you might end up smashing your knuckles instead. Killing mice could become an extream sport LOL. Keep the ideas comming.
Cheers | Don't use dry ice. Waste of money. If you want to use CO2 then get onto BOC gases and get a bottle from them. http://boc.com.au You may also find a local hardware that is a licensed reseller.
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03-Apr-07, 12:21 PM
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you can also buy CO2 cannisters somewhere,...one of the methods i read about just used vinegar and bi carb of soda,...
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03-Apr-07, 12:32 PM
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I would have to say i have absolutely no idea how the average person would be able CO2 gas rodents properly. If you know the correct dosages and how to calculate the concentrations it would be possible, but most ways i have heard it described seem to work on guessing and that is hardly humane IMO.
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03-Apr-07, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cris I would have to say i have absolutely no idea how the average person would be able CO2 gas rodents properly. If you know the correct dosages and how to calculate the concentrations it would be possible, but most ways i have heard it described seem to work on guessing and that is hardly humane IMO. | i totally agree,...OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!
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03-Apr-07, 02:05 PM
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I have a 30 cm piece of 5mm steel bar/rod. While holding the mouse or rat by the tail on a solid surface (table or bench), place the bar just behind the head. With a sharp push you will feel the neck brake and the bar will be level on the bench. The job is done! Quick and easy! IMO the CO2 method is too complicated and if you resort to smashing their head against something hard I found in many cases you had to repeatably do it ultimately causing the rat/mouse more pain (and less humane).
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03-Apr-07, 02:18 PM
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Anything larger than a pinky just whack them over the head really hard with something.
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03-Apr-07, 02:25 PM
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just two fingers around the neck and two fingers at the tail (attaches to body) and pull may here a slight crack and a twitch or two but its done
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