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08-Oct-07, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jonno from ERD  Whilst it IS illegal, and he is comfortable in his ignorance, there are loopholes written into the law that allow people to get away with it. Dobbing him in will get you nowhere. What you need to do is offer assistance and guidance, explain to the camp ground owner that having this guy killing native wildlife isn't exactly the best PR for a business that relies on people who enjoy seeing reptiles in the wild. Maybe donate an identification book so he can tell the difference between a Diamond and a Brown? Taking the aggressive approach will only make him act the same way out of spite...
Cheers | Yes , as much as I hate what happens , I was taking that slant on it too .
A questionaire to all the camp sites would be intersting to see the results of.
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08-Oct-07, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? | i would like to say yes....
as i would with most animals....
what makes your child so great? or mine? or my sisters? that it is worth more than the extinction of a species WE got in the way of....
and either way, i grew up in the city, and was always taught if you see a snake, stay still and it will go away.... and what to do if it bit me...
how many people die each year from snake bites, and what % of them died because they either provoked the snake, or didnt treat the bite properly?
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08-Oct-07, 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee I'm sorry guys... but this has to be said...
Would any of you hesitate to kill a death adder or brown snake that bit and killed your child???
I live out on a property, and any brown snake that ventures near the house, better hope that it dosent get hit over the head by a shovel.
I'm sorry to say it, but, with toddlers running around, its just a risk that cant be taken. Weigh it up... the life of a snake, vs. the life of your child/sister/brother/nephew. Snakes are DANGEROUS! Just becasue some of us keep them as pets, it does not make them cute/cuddly, or less dangerous. They are a wild animal that has evolved over millons of years to KILL. That doesnt mean we kill every snake that crosses our path, we just need to keep them away from areas (like our homes), where we live, and our children play.
And yes, they do live in australia's campimg grounds and parks... but so do we. Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? | Educate the kids, take them inside and the snake will be gone before you know it. Grabbing a shovel and smacking it is just reinforcing a knee jerk reaction that the kids will display later in life.
Not comfortable with the occasional brown move back to town because every one you see there's 5 you haven't.
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08-Oct-07, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee I'm sorry guys... but this has to be said...
Would any of you hesitate to kill a death adder or brown snake that bit and killed your child???
I live out on a property, and any brown snake that ventures near the house, better hope that it dosent get hit over the head by a shovel.
I'm sorry to say it, but, with toddlers running around, its just a risk that cant be taken. Weigh it up... the life of a snake, vs. the life of your child/sister/brother/nephew. Snakes are DANGEROUS! Just becasue some of us keep them as pets, it does not make them cute/cuddly, or less dangerous. They are a wild animal that has evolved over millons of years to KILL. That doesnt mean we kill every snake that crosses our path, we just need to keep them away from areas (like our homes), where we live, and our children play.
And yes, they do live in australia's campimg grounds and parks... but so do we. Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? |
G'day Renee,
I understand what that you are protective of your children, but you could kill every brown snake that you get on your property and will have no effect on actually keeping them away. For everyone that you see, there is 100 that you don't.
I think you are a bit misinformed about that danger and purpose of snakes in the wild. In a round-about way, snakes are designed to kill...just the same as nearly EVERY other species of animal on Earth. With the correct education and knowledge, they are no more dangerous than a horse, which no doubt you associate with fairly regularly considering that you live on property.
I think the problem is that people think that by killing snakes it solves the almost non-existent "safety" problem they impose. People have been killing snakes for thousands of years and it hasn't solved the problem yet, so maybe everyone should start searching for a better solution.
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08-Oct-07, 06:14 PM
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Sadly in NSW you cannot be fined for killing a snake if it's a threat to human life. No one would bother arguing this in court because the fact is that if someone has killed it they were close enough to be in danger.
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08-Oct-07, 06:17 PM
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It is a shame that reptiles cnd humans cannot live in complete harmony of each other.
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08-Oct-07, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee I'm sorry guys... but this has to be said...
Would any of you hesitate to kill a death adder or brown snake that bit and killed your child???
I live out on a property, and any brown snake that ventures near the house, better hope that it dosent get hit over the head by a shovel.
I'm sorry to say it, but, with toddlers running around, its just a risk that cant be taken. Weigh it up... the life of a snake, vs. the life of your child/sister/brother/nephew. Snakes are DANGEROUS! Just becasue some of us keep them as pets, it does not make them cute/cuddly, or less dangerous. They are a wild animal that has evolved over millons of years to KILL. That doesnt mean we kill every snake that crosses our path, we just need to keep them away from areas (like our homes), where we live, and our children play.
And yes, they do live in australia's campimg grounds and parks... but so do we. Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? | no i would not kill it i would move it. because honestly do you actually think elapids wake up and say to themselves today im going to find a person and bite them? and is it really wrong for the snake to defend itself? put yourself in their shoes and think of how they feel when confronted by something 100times their size  |
08-Oct-07, 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cris What he is doing isnt actually illegal, its wrong IMO but legal. He sees them "all the same" therefore dosnt know what is or isnt harmless, its perfectly legal to kill snakes to protect yourself or others. Still you would think its pretty easy to tell a carpet python from a elapid  but i guess thats easy for us to say since we have an interest in them.
IMO it makes more sense to kill(or keep if legal) a deadly snake rather than to relocate it where it dosnt belong although you may get a warm fuzzy feeling moving snakes long distances isnt a good thing at all(not directed at anyone just something to consider). Preferably they should be moved as little as possible or simply left alone whenever possible. Education is the best solution, but it can be hard when ppl dont want to be educated.
bjbk18, i would be very careful scaring brown snakes off, one day you might get more than you bargined for. | Why do you say it is bad to relocate?
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08-Oct-07, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee I'm sorry guys... but this has to be said...
Would any of you hesitate to kill a death adder or brown snake that bit and killed your child???
I live out on a property, and any brown snake that ventures near the house, better hope that it dosent get hit over the head by a shovel.
I'm sorry to say it, but, with toddlers running around, its just a risk that cant be taken. Weigh it up... the life of a snake, vs. the life of your child/sister/brother/nephew. Snakes are DANGEROUS! Just becasue some of us keep them as pets, it does not make them cute/cuddly, or less dangerous. They are a wild animal that has evolved over millons of years to KILL. That doesnt mean we kill every snake that crosses our path, we just need to keep them away from areas (like our homes), where we live, and our children play.
And yes, they do live in australia's campimg grounds and parks... but so do we. Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? | Do you have ANY IDEA of how most people get bitten?
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08-Oct-07, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Renee I'm sorry guys... but this has to be said...
Would any of you hesitate to kill a death adder or brown snake that bit and killed your child???
I live out on a property, and any brown snake that ventures near the house, better hope that it dosent get hit over the head by a shovel.
I'm sorry to say it, but, with toddlers running around, its just a risk that cant be taken. Weigh it up... the life of a snake, vs. the life of your child/sister/brother/nephew. Snakes are DANGEROUS! Just becasue some of us keep them as pets, it does not make them cute/cuddly, or less dangerous. They are a wild animal that has evolved over millons of years to KILL. That doesnt mean we kill every snake that crosses our path, we just need to keep them away from areas (like our homes), where we live, and our children play.
And yes, they do live in australia's campimg grounds and parks... but so do we. Is the life of a million snakes worth the life of one of your children? | As a parent myself , I can easily understand your concern for your kids , but , I don't really
get that thing of killing an animal that bites a human . You read about it with sharks too ,
as Ghandi said ---an eye-for-an-eye only makes the whole world blind.
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08-Oct-07, 06:33 PM
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There is a big difference between snakes and other preditors like sharks and crocs. We are potential prey for sharks and crocs, so those animals that take a person has a real potential to repeat an attack. Snakes (aussie ones atleast) do not prey on people, they will get away from people if they can because to them we are a predator. Unless it was inside your house and could not be safely removed i see absolutely no reason to kill one.
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08-Oct-07, 06:40 PM
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The best statistic on this subject is the fact that lots of people get bitten while trying to kill snakes . Make it legal to kill snakes but only by stomping on them wearing thongs .
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08-Oct-07, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Jungletrans The best statistic on this subject is the fact that lots of people get bitten while trying to kill snakes . Make it legal to kill snakes but only by stomping on them wearing thongs . | ah good old darwinism lol  |
08-Oct-07, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by waruikazi There is a big difference between snakes and other preditors like sharks and crocs. We are potential prey for sharks and crocs, so those animals that take a person has a real potential to repeat an attack. Snakes (aussie ones atleast) do not prey on people, they will get away from people if they can because to them we are a predator. Unless it was inside your house and could not be safely removed i see absolutely no reason to kill one. | I can see the point of killing a croc or shark if it's actually got hold of your leg , but I still don't
get the mentality of going out hunting for the croc/shark/snake that bit or killed the human ,
it doesn't make it better , & how do you know you got the culprit anyway untill you cut it open.
I think it's pointless & just some sort of retribution killing.
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08-Oct-07, 06:46 PM
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If you dont like snakes, dont go camping. Simple.
As for killing sharks, thats a redneck response too. Remember the fact that we dont belong in the ocean but we choose to enter it knowing the risk. If the odd human gets picked off its no great loss, not like Homo sapiens are facing extinction. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions, if you dont want to be eaten by a shark, dont go swimming in their backyard!
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